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[I. Welcome and Introductions]
GONNA GET STARTED TO MY FRIENDS AT KLCS.WE'RE READY WHEN YOU ARE, SO LET US KNOW.
3 0 3 ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH.
OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE BOARD, MIKE MCLEAN, WILL BE DOWN IN A FEW, BUT I AM GONNA ATTEMPT TO DO HIS, HIS ROLE AS WELL, UM, WITH A VERY CAPABLE TEAM, UH, HELPING OUT.
BUT, UM, WELCOME TO TODAY'S FACILITIES AND PROCUREMENT COMMITTEE.
I'LL NOTE THAT WE HAVE, UM, OH, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED ACTUALLY IF BOARD MEMBER HENRY NEWVILLE, IF WE HAD AN UPDATE ON HER TIMING, BUT SHE SHOULD BE HERE IN PERSON AND BOARD MEMBER TIZ FRANKLIN IS ONLINE.
WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY, UM, DANA GREENSPAN.
UM, AND SO NICOLE, ERIC AND CAMMY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE US.
WE HAVE HERE STEVE NEWTON, DAVID RODRIGUEZ, REBECCA CUNNINGHAM, CHRISTINA TOS, OUR CHIEF FACILITIES OFFICER.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. FRIEDMAN'S JOINING, SO JUST, UM, BUT YES, BUT GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK FOR THE SLIDES TO GO UP SO THAT WE CAN POST OUR AGENDA.
UH, NOT ON THESE LITTLE MONITORS.
UM, SO, ALRIGHT, THE, THERE'S A REMINDER.
THE COMMITTEE'S PURPOSE, UM, IS TO EXAMINE DISTRICT FACILITIES AND PROCUREMENT PROCESSES AND PROJECTS TO PROMOTE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND AWARENESS.
THE COMMITTEE WILL IDENTIFY BARRIERS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO STREAMLINE AND IMPROVE CURRENT POLICIES AND PRACTICE.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT AT THE BOARD'S COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS MORNING, WE ALSO DISCUSSED FACILITIES AND THE MEASURE US AND FACILITIES, UM, PRIORITIZATION UPDATES.
UM, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR WELCOME INTRODUCTIONS.
WE ARE GONNA THEN HAVE AN OVERVIEW FROM SOME ESTEEMED GUESTS, UH, OF HOW PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURES CAN BE UTILIZED BY SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO SAVE TIME AND MONEY IN CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, DISCUSSED OVER THE YEARS.
I KNOW MR. NEWTON BRINGS THIS UP QUITE OFTEN AND WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE JOINED BY TWO GUESTS WHO I'LL INTRODUCE IN A FEW MINUTES WHO ARE GONNA PRESENT TO THE COMMITTEE.
UM, WE'RE THEN GONNA HAVE A DEEPER DIVE ON SHADE STRUCTURES, WHICH WAS SOMETHING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAD REQUESTED FOLLOWING OUR LAST MEETING WILL THEN RECEIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON MY RESOLUTION TO UPDATE OUR DISTRICT'S POLICIES AND SYSTEMS AROUND THIRD PARTY USE OF DISTRICT SPACES THROUGH THE LEASING AND CIVIC CENTER PERMIT MECHANISMS. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA END OUR MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
I KNOW WE HAVE, I THINK, FIVE SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP AND THERE MAY BE MORE.
WE DO HOPE TO WRAP BY 5:00 PM TODAY AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PARTICIPATION.
AND NOT ONLY STEVE, BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF THE UNION, WHICH I KNOW EVERYONE IS EAGER TO WATCH.
UM, I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS OF SOME OF THE PRIOR RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, WE DECIDED AS WE CONVENE THIS, THIS COMMITTEE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THAT WE WERE GONNA FOCUS ON DEPTH, UH, AND NOT JUST BREADTH.
AND SO HAVE REALLY JUST BEEN HONING IN ON THESE NINE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT ADDRESS THEM.
UM, REALLY LOOKING, AS YOU CAN SEE AT, UH, IMPROVING, UH, TIME AND, UM, COST EFFICIENCIES FOR DISTRICT PROJECTS.
UM, TODAY'S, UH, COMMEND PRESENTATIONS, WE'LL FOCUS MOSTLY ON RECOMMENDATIONS TWO AND THREE, QUANTIFY COST AND TIME SAVINGS FROM IDENTIFIED IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN THE REVIEW OF MODULAR STRUCTURES.
UM, AND ALSO MAYBE NUMBER SIX, UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT USING POTENTIALLY BUYING CONTRACTS TO LOOK AT SHADE STRUCTURES AND, AND SOME MORE OFF THE SHELF SOLUTIONS.
UM, I DID WANNA, UH, TAKE A MOMENT TO, UH, MENTION RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH WAS EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF QUALIFIED BIDDERS TO AT LEAST THREE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM BOTH THE PROCUREMENT AND THE FACILITIES TEAM ABOUT RECENT EFFORTS TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF FOLKS BIDDING, UH, ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS TO HELP MANAGE TIME AND PROJECT COSTS.
UH, AND MR. FRIEDMAN HAS SHARED THAT THANKS TO THE TEAM'S CONCERTED EFFORTS, UM, UH, WE HAVE, UM, UH, THE EFFORTS FOLLOWING THIS RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING INDUSTRY FORM AND OFFICE HOURS AND IMPROVED CUSTOMER SERVICE.
LAST MONTH'S NUMBER OF PRE-QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS, MORE THAN DOUBLED THE DISTRICT'S HISTORIC AVERAGE.
SO NICE TO SEE PROGRESS THERE AND APPRECIATE THE TEAM FOR FOLLOWING UP ON OUR COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THANKS TO MR. FRIEDMAN AND HIS TEAM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION IN OTHER PROCUREMENT TOPICS IN COMING MONTHS.
[II.1. Pre-Engineered Structures]
WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, CAN BEGIN TO INTRODUCE OUR FIRST PRESENTATION.THERE'S A NICE LITTLE NATURE EXPLORER OUTDOOR LEARNING CENTER.
SO FROM TIME TO TIME, THE COMMITTEE HAS DISCUSSED HOW WE MIGHT USE PREBUILT OR PRE-ENGINEERED COMPONENTS TO INCREASE CONSTRUCTION SPEED AND REDUCE COSTS, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.
UH, AND WE'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT STAFF AROUND SOME BARRIERS TO THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING MAYBE THE EXPERTISE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND SO, UM, WE REACHED OUT TO SOME FOLKS WHO HAVE, UH, USED THIS PROCESS TO BUILD WITH SOME
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OTHER ENTITIES, INCLUDING OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND THEY'RE GONNA SHARE SOME OF THE IDEAS ON HOW THIS COULD HELP LA UNIFIED.UM, SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR TWO PRESENTERS, NEITHER OF WHOM I SHOULD MENTION, WORK WITH LOS ANGELES UNIFIED, BUT BOTH WHO HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION ACROSS CALIFORNIA.
MICHELLE FOX IS WITH THE KYA GROUP IN SANTA ANA AND IS AN EXPERT IN PUBLIC SECTOR CONSTRUCTION.
HAS WORKED FOR DECADES WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS ON PROJECTS INCLUDING THE EXPANSION OF TK IN ELEMENTARY CLASSROOMS, SCHOOL GYMNASIUMS, UM, THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA AND THE MIDWEST.
JEFF BLOOD HORN IS A K 12 FACILITIES AND CONSTRUCTION PROFESSIONAL WHO CURRENTLY WORKS WITH CUBE, A PROVIDER OF PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING SOLUTIONS.
HE STARTED OUT IN THE TRADES AS A PLUMBER AND HAS GAINED DECADES, UM, HAS GAINED DECADES IN CONSTRUCTION, HAS SPENT DECADES IN CONSTRUCTION UTILIZING PUBLIC BOND DOLLARS WITH A FOCUS ON PLANNING AND DELIVERING PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING SOLUTIONS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MICHELLE, I THINK FIRST, AND THEN THEN JEFF FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
AND I'M HOPING THAT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MIGHT FOLLOW UP WITH QUESTIONS, UH, OF THEM AND OF OUR TEAM ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, MICHELLE FOX AND I THINK YOU HAVE A CLICKER DOWN THERE, OR TO GO THROUGH YOUR SLIDES.
COORDINATED, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU COME CLOSER AND THEN THIS IS WHERE USUALLY MIKE WOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE MIC IS ON, IS IT ON? OH, THERE WE GO.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US TO, UH, DO A PRESENTATION FOR YOUR COMMITTEE AND BOARD MEMBERS.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE'VE PREPARED A, UH, QUICK SLIDE PRESENTATION TO REVIEW PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURES.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL LET JEFF START OUR PRESENTATION AND WE WILL JUMP IN BACK AND FORTH AS WE GO THROUGH.
SO TODAY IS ABOUT 15 SLIDES THAT GO PRETTY QUICKLY OVER AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, PRE-ENGINEERED SECTIONS FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE BENEFITS, AND THEN A CASE STUDY ON DISTRICTS THAT HAVE USED IT AND HOW IT WORKED FOR THEM, UH, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO READ THROUGH EVERY SINGLE SLIDE.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF A WASTE OF YOUR TIME.
BUT, UH, THE, THE OVERVIEW IS JUST LARGELY TO GO OVER A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, A MISNOMER IN TERMS OF WHAT'S PRE, PRE-ENGINEERED AND WHAT'S MODULAR, JUST TO KIND OF BREAK THE ICE.
UM, SO THAT I WILL BREAK DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
UH, YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THE FACT THAT MOST DISTRICTS ARE, ARE NOT NECESSARILY STRUGGLING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THINGS.
THEY'RE STRUGGLING, IN MY OPINION, TO BE ABLE TO PREDICT THINGS, PREDICT THE COST, PREDICT THE DESIGN, PREDICT THE, PREDICT THE TIME.
AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I FEEL LIKE A PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING SECTION FITS THREE OF THOSE MODULES FAIRLY WELL.
IT, IT GIVES YOU A PREDICTABLE PRICE, UH, THE TIMELINE PRESSURE AND THE PREDICTABILITY GAP, UM, NEEDED FOR A CONSISTENT OUTCOME.
THE CORE DEFINITION, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, UM, THE, THE MAIN SYSTEM, YOU CAN THINK OF A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION AS A KIT OF PARTS OR AN ERECTOR SET PER SE, THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED TO THE SITE AND THEN ASSEMBLED, NOT DELI, UH, BUILT OFFSITE, THEN DELIVERED.
SO THERE'S A, A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, A MODULAR AND A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION.
AND PRE-ENGINEERED DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A STEEL BUILDING.
IT COULD BE SHADE STRUCTURES OR, OR IN THAT SAME MANNER, THEY'RE BUILT OFFSITE AND THEN DELIVERED.
SO IN A PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING SECTION, IT IS ESSENTIALLY WELDED AND PUT TOGETHER OFFSITE UNDER THE GUISE OF A DSA INSPECTOR THAT'S OFFSITE AND THEN DELIVERED TO YOUR SITE.
AND THEN ERECTED THE ADVANTAGE, OR KEY ADVANTAGE IS THE SPEED AT WHICH IT STANDS.
SO IN ONE DAY, UH, YOU HAVE A FOOTING AND A AND A BUNCH OF J BOLTS THAT ARE STICKING UP OUT IN THE AIR, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THERE'S A BUILDING STANDING THERE AND SO ON.
TWO APPROACHES TO THE, THE BUILDING DELIVERY.
I I I, PART OF ME DOESN'T WANT TO LIKE READ EVERY ONE OF THESE, BUT YOU GET, UH, A BULK OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE LEFT.
UH, THE YELLOW SECTION ON THE RIGHT, UH, PART OF THE RECOVERY OR THE PREDICTABILITY OF SPEED IS IN THE PROCUREMENT AND HOW YOU BUY THE BUILDING IN ADVANCE OF THE PHYSICAL DRAWINGS BEING COMPLETED.
'CAUSE IN, IN MOST CASES, THEY'RE A PC, WHICH IS A, A PRE-CHECKED, UH, SYSTEM THROUGH DSA.
SO YOU'RE NOT REDESIGNING THE WHOLE BUILDING.
THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL PURVIEW.
THERE'S REALLY ONLY FIRE AND, AND LIFE SAFETY REVIEW.
A DA, SO FIRE LIFE SAFETY IN A DA TWO, TWO OF THE THREE.
AND SO EACH SITE IS SITE SPECIFIC, BUT THE BUILDING REMAINS THE SAME.
UH, IT'S A EARLY COST COST CLARITY,
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MEANING YOU CAN BUDGET THE PHYSICAL COST FOR THE BUILDING IN ADVANCE OF ACTUALLY BUILDING THE BUILDING.'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT THE SET ERECTOR SET IN A SENSE IS GOING TO COST YOU.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, AN INTERESTING PIECE.
YOU, YOU, YOU PLAY THIS GAME ABOUT BUDGETING PROJECTS AND WHAT IT'S GONNA COST AND WHAT YOU THINK IT'S GONNA COST, AND YOU KIND OF WATCH THE MARKET.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON FIRE FLOODS AND KILLER BEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT,
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A PREDICTABLE COST PRETTY MUCH NO MATTER WHAT.
THE OTHER INTERESTING PART ABOUT BUYING IN AN APPROACH OF A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION IS AS YOU PROCURE THE STEEL, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT THAT FLUCTUATE QUITE A BIT, UH, YOU CAN LOCK IN THE PRICE AT THAT TIME AS OPPOSED TO THE TIME THAT YOU PHYSICALLY BUILD IT.
MOST OF THE TIME IT WORKS IN YOUR FAVOR 'CAUSE IT MOST OF THE TIME ESCALATES.
BUT, UH, YOU, YOU GET THE IDEA THERE.
UM, MULTIPLE BUILDING REPLACEMENTS OBVIOUSLY.
SO WE, WE, YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF WHY, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, BUT IN THE CASE OF A, A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION, YOU COULD PICK THE BUILDING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE AND THEN NOT NECESSARILY BOILERPLATE IT, BUT HAVE IT USED TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AND SO WHAT I LIKE TO, TO USE AS AN ANALOGY IS EACH TIME YOU DO IT, IT GETS FASTER.
EACH TIME YOU DO IT, IT GETS, 'CAUSE IT'S FASTER, IT ENDS UP BEING A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER.
AND SO IT PERPETUATES IN A GOOD WAY AS OPPOSED TO IN A BAD WAY IN IN MOST CASES.
UM, IT GOES BACK TO THAT COST PREDICTABILITY.
UM, MICHELLE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT A, A SITUATION WHERE A DISTRICT HAD A SITUATION.
THE CONTINGENCIES WERE ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE PRICE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SURE WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD COST AFTER THEY'VE, THEY'VE NEVER BUILT IT AFTER ALL.
SO PART OF THE PREDICTABILITY IS THE BUILDER BUILDING THE SAME BUILDING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
ONCE YOU DO IT, UH, IN STICK FRAMING, IT'S CALLED DING BAT, IT, IT GOES QUITE QUICKLY.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S MUSCLE MEMORY TYPE SCENARIO.
THIS IS BASED, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT ROUGH TO GIVE YOU A PRICE BASED ON WHAT STICK FRAME IS VERSUS A STEEL FRAME.
AND I, I USE A A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT AS AN ANALOGY.
THE INITIAL COST LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
IT'S THE LACK OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUICKER THAT YOU CAN GET ON A JOB, THE LESS IMPACT YOU HAVE ON THE SITE, BOTH FROM A STUDENT AND STAFF AND PARKING AND ALL THOSE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH A SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE RUNNING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
WHAT THIS IS WHERE THE GREATEST PIECE COMES UP IN, IN, IN MAKING UP TIME IN THAT, ONCE YOU'VE DECIDED THAT THAT'S THE, THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GONNA GO, GO, UH, THAT SECTION GOES SO MUCH FASTER THAN A CONVENTIONAL SECTION OF THE LAY DOWN AREA.
SMALLER THE DELIVERY TIMES ARE COORDINATED.
IT'S, UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN AMAZON PURCHASE FOR A BUILDING.
UM, IF YOU CAN THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
THAT'S HOW IT'S DELIVERED IS AN ON-TIME, UH, MECHANISM.
THIS IS, UH, A TIMELINE ADVANTAGE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I CAN READ EVERY SLIDE IF YOU WANT ME TO.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WEIRD.
UH,
UH, I, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, UH, THE, THE PRE-COATED SECTION MEANS IN MY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU SIT DOWN WITH A STAFF OR AN ARCHITECT, YOU START TALKING ABOUT A CLASSROOM AND THE ARCHITECT COMES BACK WITH A ROUND, TRIANGULAR, ALL THESE CRAZY THINGS, AND YOU END UP WITH A NINE 60 RECTANGLE BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE.
JUST, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT SEEMS TO WORK OUT.
EVEN THOUGH THE BEST EFFORTS ARE TO CHANGE A CLASSROOM.
I'M NOT SAYING THE CLASSROOM SHOULDN'T CHANGE AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED IN A LONG TIME.
I'M JUST SAYING IT SEEMS TO BE QUITE A BIT FASTER TO GO THROUGH DESIGN WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEBODY A PRESCRIBED FOOTPRINT TO WORK WITHIN, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, OKAY, ARCHITECTS START FROM ZERO.
WHERE DOES THIS, YOU KNOW, TEACHER COME IN AND FIGURE OUT THE SECTION AND ADD THE COMPONENTS THAT MAKE THE THE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT BETTER.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU GIVE THEM THE SIZE, THIS IS THE COORDINATES, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO, CAN YOU LIVE IN IT? I, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYONE SAY, NO, I CAN'T LIVE IN IT.
AND THE PROCESS GOES THAT MUCH FASTER.
UH, ONCE YOU, YOU KNOW, DIAL IN WHATEVER THE CLASSROOM WOULD BE SUITED FOR OR THE SITUATION, WHATEVER GYM BUILDING OR LAB WHATEV, ONCE YOU DIAL THAT SECTION IN AND YOU'RE DOING IT IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, IT GOES BACK TO THAT PERPETUATING SPEED.
SO IT GOES FASTER AND FASTER AND FASTER.
UH, STREAMLINE, ACCELERATE THROUGH DSA BECAUSE IT'S A PC, IT'S LITERALLY DOING TWO OF THE THREE, UH, DISCIPLINES AS IT GOES THERE, WHICH GETS PRETTY QUICK.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT ACCESS ISN'T TROUBLESOME AND THEY'RE GONNA FIND STUFF THEY ALWAYS DO, UH, BUT THE STRUCTURAL PURVIEW IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS, I DON'T KNOW, 60 OR 70% OF THE HEADACHES THAT YOU TYPICALLY GET AS YOU SUBMIT A BUILDING THROUGH DSA
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FASTER INSTALL.UM, AND THEN ENSURE ON TIME OCCUPANCY.
SO THE OTHER SECTION OF THE PREDICTABILITY IS, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU.
YOU'RE NOT ESTIMATING FROM A BUILDER'S FIRST PERSPECTIVE OF A BUILDING THAT I THINK I CAN BUILD THIS IN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD TO SAY EVERYBODY KIND OF ROLLS IN AT THIS TIMING AND IT, IT'S, IT'S MORE PREDICTABLE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S SIX MONTHS, IT'S GENERALLY SIX MONTHS.
OH, UH, WHAT, TWO WEEKS? TWO WEEKS? TWO WEEKS? YOU KNOW, THAT JOKE ABOUT THE TWO WEEKS, UH, MEETING STUDENTS SUCCESS STANDARDS? SO THIS IS A BIG ONE.
SO TYPICALLY, UH, A BUILDING WOULD COME, UM, AT A MINIMUM, MEANING YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO ADD IN THE SECTIONS THAT MAKE IT A DISTRICT STANDARD FROM ACOUSTICS, FROM DAYLIGHTING, FROM INDOOR AIR QUALITY TYPE, UH, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU DO A PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING, YOU CAN PRESCRIBE THOSE BUILDINGS IN ADVANCE.
SO YOUR SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE THAT THE, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, TRAIN IS YOUR HVAC OF CHOICE, YOU CAN PRESCRIBE THAT IN ALREADY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AN OR EQUAL, IT'S GOING TO BE PRESCRIBED INTO THAT BUILDING SECTION.
SO THAT MAKES IT REALLY, REALLY NICE.
YOU DON'T HAVE ALTERNATES, WHICH, UM, INTERESTINGLY HAPPEN BOTH ON A COST PERSPECTIVE AND A TIMING PERSPECTIVE.
SO I, I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I DID A SLIDE ON THIS, BUT IT JUST COMES TO ME NOW.
WHEN YOU DO THINGS LIKE THIS, YOU CAN BUY THE LONG LEAD ITEM ISSUE TYPES, YOU KNOW, AIR CONDITIONING, UH, SWITCH GEAR, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
YOU CAN BUY THOSE IN ADVANCE THAT YOU TYPICALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO UNTIL AFTER YOU HAD A DRAWING.
SO IT'S, IT PAVES THE WAY FOR A ANOTHER ROADBLOCK TO BE KIND OF BLASTED OUT, UH, CONSISTENT HIGH QUALITY LEARNING.
SO YOU, YOU CAN IMPLEMENT YOUR, UH, DISTRICT STANDARDS OR ANYONE CAN, UH, VERY, VERY, VERY EASILY.
SO THIS IS WHERE I'LL JUMP IN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT, UM, ARE CASE STUDIES TO SHARE WITH YOU.
UM, THE FIRST ONE HERE IS FULLERTON ELEMENTARY.
UH, THEY ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO DO A TRADITIONAL MASONRY GYM AFTER PASSING THEIR BOND.
AND LIKE MANY DISTRICTS, THEY WANTED TO MOVE QUICKLY AND SHOW THE COMMUNITY VISIBLE PROGRESS, SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT DEMONSTRATED THE BOND WAS DELIVERING.
UM, AS THEY EVALUATED THEIR DELIVERY OPTIONS, THEY EXPLORED A PRE-ENGINEERED APPROACH AND ALLOWED THEM TO MOVE FASTER WHILE STILL DELIVERING A PERMANENT HIGH QUALITY FACILITY.
THE FIRST GYM WAS DELIVERED SUCCESSFULLY AND RECEIVED VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM BOTH THEIR DISTRICT AND THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND BASED ON THAT EXPERIENCE, THE DISTRICT CHOSE TO REPEAT THAT APPROACH AND ADDITIONAL SITES, UH, RATHER THAN REDESIGNING EACH TIME, LIKE JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, TO DATE, THEY'VE COMPLETED TWO, UH, GYMNASIUMS AND THEY HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH A THIRD LOCATION USING A SIMILAR MODEL.
CAN YOU ADVANCE? UH, THIS IS DOWNEY UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LARGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BOND PROGRAM INVOLVING MULTIPLE CAMPUSES.
UH, THE FIRST GROUP OF THEIR PROJECTS, UH, WERE BROUGHT FORWARD AND CAME IN SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THEIR ORIGINAL BUDGET PROJECTIONS.
SO, LIKE MANY DISTRICTS, THEY WERE FACING THE CHALLENGE ON HOW TO DELIVER MULTIPLE PERMANENT BUILDINGS WHILE MAINTAINING COST AND PREDICTABILITY ACROSS THEIR PROGRAM.
UH, THE DISTRICT THEN BEGAN EXPLORING MORE STANDARDIZED PRE-ENGINEERED DELIVERY APPROACHES AND BETTER UNDERSTOOD TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW REPEATABILITY AND EARLY COST CLARITY MIGHT IMPROVE THEIR OVERALL PROGRAM OUTCOMES.
UH, BY SHIFTING TOWARD A MORE PREDICTABLE BUILDING APPROACH ACROSS THE INITIAL GROUP OF PROJECTS, THE DISTRICT WAS ABLE TO REALIGN THEIR SCOPE AND BUDGET AND MOVE FORWARD WITH GREATER CONFIDENCE IN THAT OVER TIME, THAT PREDICTABILITY ALLOWED THEM TO STRETCH THEIR BOND DOLLARS FURTHER THAN THEY ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED ACROSS THOSE FIRST SITES.
AND BASED ON THAT EXPERIENCE, THE DISTRICT HAS CONTINUED USING SIMILAR REPEATABLE APPROACHES, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS IN TK KINDERGARTEN SPACE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE AND FACILITIES ACROSS MULTIPLE CAMPUSES.
YOU WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING REGARDING SOME OF THE COSTING ON THAT? SURE, YEAH, THE SAVINGS.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UH, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT ON DOWNEY, DOWNEY HAD FOUR SITES RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME.
FOUR DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS, FOUR DIFFERENT BUILDERS, ALSO PROBLEMATIC.
UH, RELAYING THAT INFORMATION FOUR TIMES SAYS, HEY, WHAT ATTEST TO IS IS DIFFICULT.
IT'S, IT'S A LOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER DISCOVERIES YOU HAVE, YOU TRANSFER TO THE NEXT PERSON, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMING.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING AT FOUR DIFFERENT SITES, THERE, IT DOES SEEM LOGICAL TO HAVE IN, IN THEORY, THIS A SIMILAR BUILDING IF NOT THE SAME BUILDING, UH, JUST TO KIND OF MAKE ONE FOR PARITY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS EVERYONE ELSE, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE THIS FINGER POINTING ACROSS THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN ALSO THE SPEED AT WHICH YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH.
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JUST TO GO ON THAT TEMECULA, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE, THIS BUILDING THAT THEY HAD, THEY, THEY WERE PERFORMING A MODERNIZATION PROJECT ON THE MAIN CAMPUS.THEY WERE ROLLING UP WITH FLAT WORK AGAINST THE, UH, EXISTING FIRST GENERATION MODULAR THAT WAS THERE, UH, GETTING READY TO TO, TO SET UP THE CONCRETE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
AND THEN DISCOVERED THAT THE, THE C CHANNEL, THE ACTUAL MAINFRAME OF THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING WAS GONE DETERIORATED, UH, HAD IT INSPECTED, HAD IT LOOKED AT, UH, THEY BASICALLY CONDEMNED THE BUILDING
AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, FROM START TO FINISH SO FAST, TALKING ABOUT THE SPEED AT WHICH THINGS CAN MOVE, IT TOOK NINE MONTHS FROM THE TIME YOU WALKED THE JOB TO THE TIME THEY GOT THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A LOT.
AND, AND I WILL SAY THAT WAS COVID.
SO THAT WAS
IN MARCH OF THAT YEAR IS WHEN COVID STARTED, WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY INTERESTING, MORE INTERESTING.
GOT THAT SPECIAL PAPER THAT SAID I WAS, UH, A WORKER THAT WAS ABLE TO DRIVE ON THE FREEWAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ALL REMEMBER THAT, BUT, UH, THE OUTCOME, THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THE FOOTPRINT THAT IT, IT WAS A MUCH BETTER BUILDING.
I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE BIT BIASED, BUT MUCH BETTER BUILDING THAN WHAT THEY HAD.
UH, BUT THE SPEED AT WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT WAS UNCANNY AND IT LIMITED THE DISRUPTION TO THEIR FACULTY AND STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD WITH THAT.
UH, THE LAST ONE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU IS, UH, SPENCER VALLEY AND SAN PASQUA VALLEY.
BOTH OF THESE DISTRICTS FACED A VERY DIFFERENT CHALLENGE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN RURAL AREAS.
UM, AND AS SMALL SINGLE SITE RURAL DISTRICTS, THEY WERE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO GET, UM, CONSISTENT COMPETITIVE PRICING FOR THEIR BUILDINGS, UM, LIMITED CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY AND TRAVEL DISTANCE.
THAT CREATED A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.
AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BIDS THEY WERE GOING TO BE EXPECTING ON BID DAY.
UH, THEY CHOSE, UH, TO GO THE PATH OF EARLY ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES TO TAKE A LOOK AT PRE-ENGINEERED, UH, THE DELIVERY OF, OF PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDINGS.
AND, UM, THAT APPROACH SEEMED TO PROVIDE MUCH CLEARER PRICING FOR THEM, REDUCE THAT VARIABILITY THAT THEY OFTEN EXPERIENCE IN THOSE REMOTE LOCATIONS.
SO USING A MORE COORDINATED BUILDING APPROACH, UH, IT ALLOWED EACH OF THE DISTRICTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMANENT FACILITIES AND ALIGNED WITH THEIR AVAILABLE BUDGETS AND TIMELINES DESPITE THEIR CHANGES OF REMOTE OR THE CHALLENGES OF REMOTE CONSTRUCTION.
THE KEY FOR BOTH OF THESE DISTRICTS WAS PREDICTABILITY, AGAIN.
SO THAT'S THE, THE RUNNING THEME THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURES DO OFFER A, A FRAMEWORK THAT GIVES YOU SET COSTING, SET TIMELINES, PHASED CONSTRUCTION, UM, THAT DOES PUT A SENSE OF CALM AROUND WHAT A PROJECT SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.
AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO BE BACK IN CONTROL, I THINK, OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE SCHEDULES ARE WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION KEY CONSIDERATION.
SO I, I WILL ALSO ADD THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TIME THAT LA UNIFIED HAS LOOKED AT PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDINGS.
IN FACT, IT'S PROBABLY THE FOURTH TIME, UM, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEED UP.
I I THINK ONE OF THE WOES, ONE OF THE BIGGER WOES THAT WE HAVE AS DSA AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT NAVIGATING THROUGH AND THIS CONSTANT, UH, SPEED BUMP THAT DSA REPRESENTS.
I'M NOT, I DON'T, IS ANYBODY HERE IS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS DOUG.
UM,
AND SO I THINK THIS METHOD, AGAIN, LOOKING AT IT WHEN TALKING TO, TO LY ABOUT HOW THIS ALL ROLLS THROUGH, UH, IS, IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD FOR THAT SECTION.
UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, I'M NOT GONNA READ 'EM, THEY'RE STUFF FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT, BUT THESE ARE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D BEAT ASKED.
WELL, I'M SUPER NERVOUS OR WHATEVER, SO IT SOUNDED SUPER FASTER THAN IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
UM,
IT WAS AN OVERVIEW OF, OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST AN OPTION, UH, FOR THE DISTRICT TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF SPEEDING UP PROJECTS AND GETTING THEM ON BUDGET OR TO A BUDGET THAT YOU CAN PREDICT.
IT'S, UM, FAST PRESENTATION FOR A FAST WAY TO DO CONSTRUCTION
SO, UH, THAT'S HOW WE'LL SPIN IT.
I'LL NOTE TOO, UH, MY COLLEAGUE MS. HE NEWBELL HAS JOINED US ALSO, MR. FRIEDMAN AND MATT, I WAS GIVING YOU A SHOUT OUT, UM, BEFORE YOU ARRIVED ON YOUR CONCERTED EFFORTS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PRE-QUALIFIED BIDDERS.
AND SO JUST AS THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE CONTINUES, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THAT SHE, SHERETTE AND I WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, 9, 9, 9 MONTHS FOR A BUILDING SEEMS LIKE, UM, UH,
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SIX YEARS SHORTER THAN SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE SEE HERE.BUT WHAT IS NOTABLE AND THE REASON THAT WE WANTED, UM, MICHELLE AND JEFF TO JOIN US, IS THAT THE WORK THEY'RE DOING IS WITHIN CALIFORNIA, WITHIN DSA, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, PROJECT STABILIZATION AND PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS AND ALL THAT.
UM, AND BUT NO CURRENT WORK WITH ALL UNIFIED.
SO THERE'S NO CONFLICT, BUT IT'S WITHIN THE, THE SAME, IT'S NOT PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
IT'S NOT IN ANOTHER STATE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
AND YET WE'RE SEEING WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
SO I GUESS MS. TOES IS YOUR PREFERENCE.
I DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS, WE, FOR YOU, SOME OF THEM WILL BE BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION FOR THE DISTRICT TEAM.
AND SO DO YOU WANNA LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR FIRST OR WOULD YOU RATHER HEAR FROM THE COMMITTEE JUST KIND OF ABOUT LIKE, WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WE'RE LIKE, YES.
WHEN WE THINK OF THE PORTABLE CLASSROOM PLACEMENT PROJECT THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, TEASED A LITTLE THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHY AREN'T WE DOING THIS FOR EVERY BUILDING? WHAT ARE WE NOT CONSIDERING? SO MAYBE WE START WITH JUST LIKE THE, NOT THE DISTRICT RESPONSE AS IF IT'S ADVERSARIAL, BUT WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? AND THEN WE'LL HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ASK QUESTIONS, GIVE COMMENTS, ET CETERA.
UH, SO FIRST, DEFINITELY NOT ADVERSARIAL.
I THINK THAT WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT PRODUCT.
UM, AND WE HAVE USED IT BEFORE.
WE COMPLETED TWO CLASSROOM PROJECTS THAT OPENED IN 2021, UM, THAT WERE PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDINGS AND THEN WE USED THEM ON OUR WELLNESS CLINICS WHEN WE HAD A SERIES OF WELLNESS CLINICS.
AND EACH TIME WE'VE LEARNED REALLY VALUABLE LESSONS.
UM, WHEN WE DID THE CLINICS, WE, UM, WE WERE NOT AS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH DESIGN BUILDS, AND SO WE GOT STUCK WITH USING A PROPRIETARY DESIGN SYSTEM AND THEN PUTTING IT OUT TO BID AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVING TO SOLE SOURCE THAT.
I THINK WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT.
WE'RE NOW VERY FAMILIAR WITH DESIGN BUILD.
I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID AN RFP, UM, WE SELECTED SOMEONE AND THEN THEY WENT BANKRUPT, RIGHT? IT HAS BEEN LIKE, AND KIND OF IN A EMERGING, UM, INDUSTRY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE REALLY HAVEN'T BROUGHT ANY PROJECTS THAT WERE CLASSROOM REPLACEMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON BUILDING COMPONENTS AND GREENING.
BUT WE DO THINK THAT WITH THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE ON THE BUILDING SIDE, UM, REMOVING PORTABLES AND REPLACING THEM WITH CLASSROOMS, THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR LOOKING AT USE OF.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE HAVE A SEISMIC PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY BE DEMOLISHING CLASSROOMS AND REPLACING IT WITH NEW CLASSROOMS. 'CAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAN SEISMICALLY RETROFITTING OLD EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD FIT AS WELL.
SO I KNOW YOU HAD A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE, NO PUN INTENDED, MEETING WITH ALIX.
UM, AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING AT KIND OF WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS SO THAT WE WILL HAVE, UH, KIND OF A PROCUREMENT METHODOLOGY IN PLACE SO WHEN WE START DEFINING BUILDINGS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THIS.
THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
WHEN YOU HAD THE GYM, I'M THINKING OF SOME GYM, LIKE SEISMIC REPLACEMENTS, SOME ROOF REPLACEMENTS, LIKE DOING THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS SAY, DOES IT ACTUALLY MAKE MORE SENSE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND THEN TO A PRE, UM, ENGINEERED GYM AS OPPOSED TO THE TWEAKS? UH, QUESTIONS COMMENT, YES.
UM, OTHER THAN CHRISTINA AND MATTHEW, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT PRE-ENGINEERED REALLY IS STILL.
I MEAN, WE JUST, A LITTLE BIT OF IT WENT TOO FAST, BUT MODULAR, PORTABLE, THOSE ALL COME UP AND SO FORTH.
BUT FOR THE MOST OF THE COMMITTEE, THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS JUST PRE-ENGINEERED.
SO CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS ACTUALLY DELIVERED AND THEN THE PROCESS AFTER THAT TO GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE THE PROJECT? SURE.
UH, PART OF THE PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION, THE BIGGEST PART OF IT IS A PRE IS THE DRAWING.
SO THE DRAWING IS A PC THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO STRUCTURALLY, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S A SQUARE BOX.
THAT SQUARE BOX HAS BEEN ENGINEERED.
SO ALL THE CALCULATIONS FOR THAT, BARRING A SITE SPECIFIC FOR SOIL CONDITIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH IN THEORY YOU, YOU HAVE ABOUT NINE 10, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GET TO A LEVEL WHERE YOU CAN DO ABOUT NINE-TENTHS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE.
BUT THE DRAWINGS ARE THE FIRST PART OF WHAT'S PART OF THAT PACKAGE.
MEANING THAT DRAWINGS IS THERE, ARE THERE, AND THEY'RE ALREADY DONE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDO THE DRAWINGS.
NOW THAT'S JUST FOUR WALLS AND A ROOF.
THE KIT OF PARTS THAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER WOULD BE THE BASE PLATES FOR THE, THE, BASICALLY THE, THE MOUNTING, THE BOLTS FOR THE, THE HARDWARE TO MOUNT THE COLUMNS, ALL THE STRUCTURAL STEEL, THE EXTERIOR INSULATED METAL PANELS, THE ROOFING, THAT'S, UH, A FOAM CORE INSULATED PANEL.
AND THE EPIC DECK, WHICH IS OUR LID, OR BASICALLY OUR CEILING, AND THOSE ARE THE FOUR.
AND THEN AIR CONDITIONING IF YOU'D LIKE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN THROW ON A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF, BUT THOSE ARE THE, THE FOUR OR FIVE ITEMS THAT WE REPEATEDLY DO, UH, IN, IN MOST CASES.
AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT THEN YOU BUY THAT IN ADVANCE SO THAT LOCKS IN YOUR PRICE.
SO EVEN IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A JOB THAT'S SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS OUT AT DSA OR WHATEVER, YOU, YOU'RE IN JUST PLANNING STAGES, YOU COULD IN THEORY BUY ALL THOSE
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THINGS OR YOU, YOU COULD BUY ALL THOSE THINGS.IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER INDEX CHANGES AND WHATEVER, THE PRICE CHANGES, THAT'S THE PRICE THAT YOU LOCK IN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO ITS SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I FOUND MYSELF BUYING SOMETHING OR THINKING I WAS GONNA BUY SOMETHING, AND THEN BY THE TIME I HAD TO BUY IT, EVERYONE ELSE WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU GET INTO AIR CONDITIONING MODE AND THEN THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE RELEASES A BUNCH OF MONEY FOR THAT, AND THEN YOU'RE COMPETING WITH EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S BUYING THE SAME EXACT EQUIPMENT.
IT BECOME, IT, IT BECAME A, A SECTION WHERE I'D HAVE TO MAKE COMPROMISES AND PUT IN DIS NON-DISTRICT STANDARDS TO MEET THE TIMELINES, WHICH IS SUPER FRUSTRATING.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING STUFF THAT YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OR STUFF THAT DOESN'T LAST AS LONG PROBLEMATIC ULTIMATELY.
AND SO THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE, ARE VERY, VERY HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD.
YES, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE TO THINK ABOUT WITH A MODULAR BUILDING VERSUS PRE-ENGINEERED.
SO PRE-ENGINEERED ARE THE PIECES, PARTS, ALL THE COLUMNS, USUALLY STEEL, CONSTRUCTION, UM, THEY'RE COMING TO SITE AND YOU HAVE TO ERECT IT OR ASSEMBLE IT AND PUT IT TOGETHER ON SITE.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS HOW YOU WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT ON THE SITE.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MODULAR, IT IS SECTIONS OF A BUILDING COMING ON THE BACK OF A FLATBED TRUCK AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO 12 FOOT LENGTHS, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU CAN ADD ONTO THOSE, BUT YOU HAVE LESS FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS, UH, A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
LIKE A PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING WOULD, PRE-ENGINEERED, HAS A CONCRETE SLAB FOR THE BASE OF THAT FLOOR.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE EVERYTHING GETS ASSEMBLED ON SITE VERSUS PIECES OF IT COMING IN PREASSEMBLED AND JUST TIPPING IT UP BASICALLY.
AND, AND THE OTHER, ONE OF THE BIGGER SEGUES, I I FIND THAT MODULAR IS NECESSARY.
IT'S JUST PART OF THE BAG OF TRICKS THAT YOU HAVE IN FACILITIES TO KEEP MOVING.
SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET RID OF, I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY, YOU'RE GONNA DO 'EM IF INTERIM HOUSING HAPPENS OR IF IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
UM, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S PERMANENT, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THAT THE LINE OF MODULAR HAS MOVED, I I, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SORT OF SLAB ON GRADE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SLAB ON GRADE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE.
I THINK THEY'RE A 25 30 AT BEST PROBLEM SOLVER.
UM, A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION, UH, WITH A STEEL BUILDING IS A HUNDRED, LET'S SAY 50 YEAR BUILDING.
SO 50 TO A HUNDRED YEAR BUILDING, IT'S, IT'S A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
IT'S JUST THE MECHANISM IN WHICH YOU'RE DOING IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENTIATE DIFFERENTIATOR.
CAN I JUST ASK ON AS A FOLLOW UP TO STEVE, AND THEN LET YOU GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS, THE, UM, THE TIME.
LIKE, HELP US UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOU REMOVE THAT PORTABLE OR THAT MODULAR FROM A CLASSROOM, FROM A SCHOOL, AND THEN COMPARE IT TO TYPICAL STICK BUILD, THE TIMING, LIKE WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
AND THEN WITHIN A MONTH, THE REST OF IT'S CONSTRUCTED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
LIKE WHAT'S, 'CAUSE BESIDES THE, THE TIME SAVINGS FOR JUST COST ESCALATION, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR CAMPUSES IS DISRUPTION TO STUDENTS WHEN HALF THE CAMPUS IS CORDONED OFF BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT LOOKS AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE TIME SAVINGS? IS IT THE TIME SAVINGS? SO ANOTHER JOB, LIKE WHATEVER, ANOTHER JOB AT TEMECULA THAT ISN'T POSTED HERE WAS A LITERAL BATTLE, PARDON THE PUN, THE BATTLE BETWEEN A STICK FRAME CONFIGURATION AND, UH, A PRE-ENGINEERED SECTION.
UH, THE INTERESTING THING THAT WAS HAPPENING IS THE STICK FRAME AS YOU'RE WATCHING TWO BUILDINGS IDENTICAL, THEY WERE, IT WAS A PERFECT STORM TO WATCH.
UH, THE TWO MECHANISMS COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
THE STICK FRAME AND THE, UH, PRE-ENGINEERED STARTED AT THE SAME TIME.
THE PRE-ENGINEERED HAD FOUR WALLS IN A ROOF IN, IN A WEEK.
THE STICK FRAME HAD, OH, AND, AND THE OTHER INTERESTING PART, THERE WAS EIGHT PEOPLE ON THAT SITE.
THERE WERE 22 CARPENTERS ON A WOOD SITE THAT PLAYED CATCH UP THE ENTIRE TIME.
NOW, THE DIFFICULTY WITH THAT IS IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACTOR.
I, I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I CAN'T JUST SAY IT'S A MAGIC BRUSH AND EVERYBODY DOES IT THE SAME WHEN SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, A BUILDING THAT BUILDING THAT YOU, THAT, THAT PICTURE THAT I TOOK, UH, LAST THURSDAY IS ALL FOUR WALLS ARE UP AND THE ROOF'S UP NOW I SAY FOUR WALLS A COLUMN.
SO THE, THE COLUMNS ARE UP, THE, THE ROOF SYSTEM, THE EPIC DECK IS UP, SO IT GOES PROBABLY 30% FASTER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STICK FRAME.
THE, THE DISADVANTAGE WITH STICK FRAME TODAY, IN MY OPINION IS EVEN A WOOD BUILDING IS SO RIDDLED WITH SIMPSON TIES AND STEEL AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY BODE WELL WITH WOOD
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CONSTRUCTION THAT IT, IT DOESN'T EVEN END UP BEING A WOOD BUILDING ANYMORE.AND SO A LOT OF TIMES, A LOT OF SCHOOLS THAT YOU SEE NOW ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, 60, 40, 40, 60% STEEL ANYWAYS.
SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING A WHOLE SCHOOL STICK FRAME, MAY HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES IN TERMS OF COST, UM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT IN, IN, IN TERMS OF SPEED.
AND SO YOU A WEEK TO GET KIND OF THE FOUR WALLS IN A ROOF.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT LIKE TO COMPLETION? HVAC, I MEAN EVERYTHING LIKE TURNKEY BASICALLY.
SO I, I, OKAY, SO I'LL USE THE TEMECULA, THE ONE THAT WE DID IN NINE MONTHS.
NOW THAT WAS AN ACCELERATED ALL HANDS ON DECK.
THE OTHER PART THAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE COVID HAPPENED, IT WAS REALLY THE MAIN FOCUS.
SO I I WILL SAY IT'S, UH, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY ARE, I WOULD SAY NINE TO 11 MONTHS IN CONSTRUCTION, OBVIOUSLY.
DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACTOR, OBVIOUSLY, DEPENDS ON THE SIZE THAT ONE WE BUILT.
SO WE BUILT ALL OF OUR OWN FLOOR PLANS AT LEAST ONCE ON PURPOSE.
AND SO WE HAD FULL CONTROL OF WORKING THROUGH THE BUGS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF IT'S A SYSTEM THAT'S, THAT'S DOABLE AND, AND, AND CAN, CAN DO THAT, THAT I WISH I HAD THE TIME ELAPSE AND I CAN SEND YOU THAT, WHICH MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
UH, AND IT, IT WILL SHOW YOU THE TIME ELAPSE SECTION OF HOW IT LOOKS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW FAST IT GOES.
AND SO THE PANEL, SO THE OTHER THING, UH, I MIGHT ADD IS THE EXTERIOR PANEL IS PRE-FINISHED.
SO IT'S A PRE, IT'S A THREE AND A HALF INCH, AND YOU CAN CHANGE THE R VALUE DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT IT'S A PRE-FINISHED PANEL.
IT'S A, WHAT WE USE METAL SPAN KINGSPAN IS, IS ANOTHER BRAND THAT DOES THIS.
SO THE PANEL GOES UP, SHIPLAP, LIKE A A, A CONVENTIONAL SIDING WOULD GO, BUT IT'S FINISHED, IT'S PAINTED, IT'S WATERPROOF, IT'S INSULATED, IT'S DONE.
SO ONCE THE WALLS ARE UP, IT'S, THE BUILDING IS WEATHER TIGHT, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY NICE.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER IS WHATEVER COMPONENTS YOU END UP CHANGING BECAUSE IT'S MOMENT FRAME, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, WHEREVER YOU WANT IN TERMS OF OPENINGS.
SO IF YOU WANTED A GIANT GARAGE DOOR HERE, OH, OKAY, LET'S DO THAT.
THERE'S LET, OTHER THAN PLAYING WITH THE COLUMNS, YOU'RE NOT VIOLATING OR CHANGING THE PC IN ANY WAY.
THAT'S A NON-STRUCTURAL MOMENT TO THEM.
THE STRUCTURE, THE SUPER STRUCTURE SITS INSIDE OF THE, THE STEEL STUD WALL.
SO IT GOES REALLY, REALLY FAST.
I, I THINK IF, IF YOU'RE COOL, I CAN SEND YOU THAT.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE.
THAT CAN TIME ELAPSE TOO, MR. NOON, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. RODRIGUEZ.
UM, REGARDING THESE FOUR DISTRICTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IS THERE A COMMONALITY IN TERMS OF HOW THE, UM, PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDINGS WERE PROCURED? UH, SOME OF THEM, YES.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, A FEW OF THEM WERE ON LEASE, LEASE BACK.
UM, WE'VE ANSWERED RFPS TO GO THAT ROUTE, AND THE PROBABLY MORE POPULAR IS SELLING AS JEFF WAS REFERRING TO A KIT OF PARTS, THE, THE FOUR WALLS THAN THE ROOF.
UM, AND THAT TYPICALLY GOES THROUGH ON CMAS SEEMS TO BE THE POPULAR, UH, COOPERATIVE.
THE, THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE THAT I SAW FROM A DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE IS WHEN YOU, WHEN THE DISTRICT BUYS IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MANAGE THE MATERIALS.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT TO THE SITE.
IT'S AN ON-TIME DELIVERY, SO YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO TAKE ON THIS GIANT, UH, SLEW OF ITEMS THAT COME.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT ALSO IS, IS A BIGGER PART OF HOW THAT COMES TOGETHER, IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT IT, IT'S DELIVERED AS IT'S NEEDED.
AS THE FRAMER IS DONE AND THEY'RE READY FOR THAT INSULATION, IT COMES.
SO THAT MEANS A LOWER LAY DOWN AREA THAT MEANS LESS VANDALISM, HOPEFULLY LESS, UH, THIEVERY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST SITTING THERE, UH, WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE IT HOME TYPE OF SCENARIO.
IN TERMS OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, UH, YOU'VE BEEN IN, IN THE, UM, INDUSTRY FOR SOME TIME, UH, IN TERMS OF CHANGE ORDERS, DO YOU SEE LESS CHANGE ORDERS WITH THE PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING APPROACH RATHER THAN, UM, A REGULAR STICK BUILD RFP PROCESS? YES, I THINK SO.
SO I, THE CHANGE ORDERS THAT I TYPICALLY SEE ARE ADS THAT THE DISTRICT WANTS FOR, I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS, BUT CAN YOU ADD THAT THEY'RE NOT CHANGE ORDERS THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE SET OF DRAWINGS OR SEE THAT IN THE SET OF DRAWINGS AND THEN FIGHTS YOU ON WHETHER OR NOT THE ARCHITECT HAD IT THERE OR NOT.
SO THAT'S THE PREDICTABILITY PART AT AS, AS WE PREPARE, SO THIS IS OUR FOURTH CODE CYCLE OF GETTING PCS, THIS ONE RIGHT, IN CURRENT.
AND SO EACH TIME WE DO THAT AND IN BETWEEN WE, WE FIX THE AREAS THAT HAVE GAPS, MEANING IF THERE'S A WEAK SPOT OR THE DRAWING ISN'T CLEAR OR IT'S NOT VIABLE, WE FIX THAT.
SO EACH TIME IT, IT, IT JUST PERPETUATING INTO A BETTER ENGINEERED TYPE SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON TYPE OF SCENARIO.
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THE, THE PIECE ABOUT THE, THE CMAS, THE, THE SECTION, THE DISTRICT, IF THE DISTRICT BUYS IT, WHICH SOME DISTRICTS LIKE IT, SOME DISTRICTS DON'T, YOU DON'T THEN TAKE THE BURDEN OF A MARKUP FROM A VENDOR OR A CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS ALSO NICE.SO IF IN TERMS OF SCALABILITY AND COST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE BUY THAT AND THEN SUPPLY THAT, THEY'RE GONNA NATURALLY MARK IT UP BECAUSE THEY'RE TOUCH.
IT'S JUST THE WAY IT KIND OF WORKS.
AND THEN DEPENDING UPON THE CONTRACTOR, THEY WOULD MARK IT UP, WHATEVER THEY SORT OF SEE FIT.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU ROLL THROUGH THIS, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND THEN YOU COULD ASK THEM WHAT THAT PRICE IS PERHAPS, AND, AND IF THEY'RE HONEST, THEY'LL TELL YOU, OH, I'M ONLY DOING 10%, BUT IF THE DISTRICT NAVIGATES AND BUYS IT, THEY, THEY CAN SAVE ALL OF THAT.
UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, SO I HAD A QUESTION IN, IN REGARDS TO THE PRE-ENGINEERED, IS THERE A STANDARD, UH, PRICE FOR, FOR, UH, LET'S JUST SAY FOR A A, A STANDARD SIZED CLASSROOM, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA GO WITH? IS THERE A STANDARD PRICE OR IS EVERYTHING BASICALLY MADE TO ORDER BY WHICHEVER DISTRICT'S ORDERING THE STANDARD PRICE? YES, I WOULD SAY ON THE FOUR, ON THE, THE, THE MAIN FOUR OR FIVE PARTS, YES, THAT'S A GIVEN.
THE DIFFICULTY WITH A PER SQUARER, YOU KNOW, A PRICE PER, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN OUTFIT.
EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN FITMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT DO THEY WANT TACK BOARD FROM FLOOR TO CEILING.
DO THEY WANT TWO BY TWO OR TWO BY FOUR? WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CEILING TILE PICK OUT, ALL THOSE THINGS CHANGE.
UM, BUT THE, THE PHYSICAL FOUR OR FIVE STRUCTURES NEVER CHANGE.
UH, YOU COULD CHANGE THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ADDED.
SO IF YOU WANTED R 30 ON THE WALLS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO WITH A SIX INCH PANEL AND THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD CHANGE THE PRICE.
BUT YES, THERE IS A DIRECT PRICE FOR SAY, A THOUSAND SQUARE, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
YES, THERE WOULD BE A, A FIXED EVERYDAY PRICE.
SO THESE AREN'T, THESE AREN'T JUST, IT'S NOT JUST, I I NEED AN EXTRA CLASSROOM, YOU CAN SAY I NEED AN EXTRA BUILDING WITH, WITH ABSOLUTELY.
SO, SO THE, THE OTHER PART THAT'S INTERESTING, SO I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I ENDED UP TAKING OUT AUTO SHOPS AND PUTTING IN COMPUTER LABS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS STORY.
EVERYBODY HAD ONE-TO-ONE, AND THEY SAT THERE ON THEIR COMPUTER AND THEN EVERYBODY GOT LAPTOPS AND THEN EVERYBODY STARTED PUTTING AUTO SHOPS BACK IN.
AND SO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING IS FLEXIBILITY IS A BIG, BIG DEAL FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE NA AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S THE LATEST, GREATEST THING, IT'S JUST THINGS CHANGE AND YOU WANT TO ADAPT AND YOU WANT TO OFFER THAT TO YOUR STUDENTS.
THE NICE PART ABOUT A A, A BUILDING, UH, SIMILAR TO THIS IS IT'S FOUR WALLS AND A ROOF.
WHAT YOU DO INSIDE, YOU COULD DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
YOU COULD HAVE A TWO STORY, YOU COULD HAVE A MEZZANINE, YOU COULD HAVE A GYM, YOU COULD HAVE AN AUTO SHOP.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GONNA HAVE DIFFERENCES IN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR, THE WALL BETWEEN THE CLASSROOM AND AN AUTO SHOP WOULD BE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU COULD DO WHATEVER YOU WANT INSIDE.
I, I GOT JUST ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I'LL, SO IN REGARDS TO THE PRE-ENGINEERED, WOULD YOU SAY THE PRE-ENGINEERED WOULD BE THE BETTER, THE BEST VALUE FOR THE, FOR OUR DOLLARS INSTEAD OF A MODULAR, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A LIFE, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIFESPAN FOR ON THAT SCHOOL SITE? I WOULD SAY IF YOU DID THE LIFECYCLE COSTING, YES.
I WOULD SAY, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MODULAR, THE MODULAR BUSINESS HAS LITERALLY JUST CREEPED UP TO STICK FRAME COSTS.
I, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, BUT IN THEORY, WHAT WHAT USED TO HAPPEN IS YOU BUY A MODULAR AND IT WAS MAYBE 50 CENTS OF THE DOLLAR OF STICK FRAME, BUT AS SOON AS YOU ALTER IT OR CHANGE IT OR ADD SOMETHING TO IT, NOW YOU'RE DEVIATING FROM THE PC AND NOW YOU'RE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF STICK FRAME COST.
SO THEN YOU END UP BUILDING A MODULAR FOR THE SAME PRICE AS YOU COULD HAVE ULTIMATELY DONE FOR STICK FRAME.
I, WELL, AS A FOLLOW UP TO MR. RODRIGUEZ, ONE OF THE THINGS THIS COMMITTEE'S TALKED ABOUT IS PURCHASING THROUGH CMAS AND OTHER, UM, CONTRACTS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE MR. FRIEDMAN AND MS. TOES CAN CORRECT ME, IS THAT WE WERE THE DISTRICT'S NOT ABLE TO, TO BUY PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURES THROUGH A BUYING CONTRACT LIKE CMAS.
THE, UH, THE DISTRICT'S HAS TAKEN A POSITION, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO THAT ANYTHING VIA PA PIGGYBACK COULD NOT BE DONE ONTO A FIXED FOUNDATION.
UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AND HAVE DONE A SOLICITATIONS FOR ITEMS. SO, UH, THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE THE ROUTE WE WOULD TAKE, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THINGS WHEN YOU SAY THE DISTRICT HAS TAKEN THE POSITION.
UM, SO IT'S A, IT'S DISTRICT POLICY THAT WE DON'T, WOULDN'T DO SOME SORT OF BUYING CONTRACT LIKE CMASS TO PIGGYBACK FOR A, WHAT DID YOU SAY, FOR A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, A, A MODULAR STRUCTURE ONTO A, A FIXED FOUNDATION.
UM, THAT'S, UH, BASED ON PRECEDENT SET
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WITH DGS, UH, AND THEN ALSO A LEGAL OPINION INTERNALLY IN THE DISTRICT.AND IS THAT SOMETHING, I KNOW WE HAVE MARK MILLER HERE.
I DON'T KNOW, MARK, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THAT ANALYSIS OR MAYBE AT A FOLLOW UP AROUND THE WHY WE COULDN'T PURCHASE? BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED FROM THE PROCUREMENT SIDE HOW TO REDUCE THE COSTS FOR EVERYTHING FROM SHADE STRUCTURES TO NOW BUILDINGS.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE, OR IF AT SOME POINT WE CAN HAVE AN UPDATED ANALYSIS ON THAT.
YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
UM, I KNOW WITH PIGGYBACKING, THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL WEIGHED IN ON THAT, AND WHEN YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION INVOLVED WITH THAT, THAT THE, UM, PUBLIC CONTRACT CODE SECTION WOULD NOT BE, UM, APPLICABLE OR WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT.
AND SO I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT WITH CMAS AND IT'S UNDER THE STATE, IF THE SCHEDULE, UH, ALSO REQUIRES LIKE, LET'S SAY INSTALLATION.
NO, THERE'S, SO, SO IT GOOD SEGUE, UH, PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THAT SECTION IS, UH, EVERYBODY FROWNED UPON PIGGYBACKING BECAUSE THE MODULAR, UH, COMPANIES WERE NOW INSTALLING UNDER A PIGGYBACK, AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE LABOR ON A PIGGYBACK.
SO THE IDEA WAS, OKAY, NO MORE PIGGYBACK BECAUSE YOU'RE HIDING LABOR AND YOU'RE DOING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
THE SYSTEM IN WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS PARTS COMPONENTS OF A BUILDING.
IT'D BE NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU PRE-ORDERED AIR CONDITIONING UNITS OR ROOFING IN ADVANCE OF A PROJECT.
AND SO BECAUSE THERE'S NO LABOR, UH, DISTRICTS ALL, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, A LOT OF DISTRICTS ARE UTILIZING SEAMASS BECAUSE THERE'S NO LABOR.
UH, THEY'RE NOT EVEN USING IT AS A PIGGYBACK.
DO YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER DISTRICTS IN CALIFORNIA THAT ARE USING CMAS FOR PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURES? DOWNEY, UH, LA COUNTY RIGHT THERE THAT THEY, THEY JUST BOUGHT 34 BUILDINGS ON A CMAS, UM, LA COUNTY WISE, UH, ORANGE COUNTY'S TITER.
AND SO FULLERTON, UH, BOUGHT THEIR BUILDINGS ON A CMAS.
UH, THEY BOUGHT THE COMPONENTS OF, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
THEY BOUGHT THE COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE NOT BUYING ON A CONTRACT LABOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARTS.
AND I, I THINK THEN THAT'S THE QUESTION INTERNALLY AS A DISTRICT TO DO THAT COST ANALYSIS TO SAY, RIGHT, CMAS OR DO WE GO TO MARKET AND, AND HAVE THIS AVAILABLE? YES.
WELL, I APPRECIATE BOTH MARK AND, AND MATT AND, UM, WOULD LOVE SOME SORT OF FOLLOW UP THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AT THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THAT, UH, GIVEN THAT THESE ARE OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE STATE UNDER THE SAME STATE LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT, BUT TO MATT, I THINK WHAT MR. FRIEDMAN WAS GETTING AT IS MAYBE EVEN IF WE COULD, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE THING FOR US.
SO WOULD LOVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT ANALYSIS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE SEARS ROEBUCK ASPECT OF THIS.
LIKE I CAN VISUALIZE THE, YOU KNOW, THE OLD TURN OF THE CENTURY MAGAZINE COMING IN AND YOU'RE GETTING ALL THE PARTS RIGHT, AND IT, IT'S LIKE, SO I CAN SEE THAT, SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LABOR, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO AROUND MIDDLE AMERICA, YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH AND YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S A SEARS RUBIC HOUSE, RIGHT? THAT'S A SEARS RUB HOUSE NOW.
THEY'VE LASTED A HUNDRED YEARS LATER AND MANY OF THEM ARE STILL STANDING.
BUT ARE WE GONNA GET, LA IS SUCH A DIVERSE ECOSYSTEM.
WE'RE DIVERSE CULTURES, WE'RE DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
ARE WE GONNA DRIVE AROUND AND IT'S JUST GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.
THERE'S A STACK STONE THAT THEY DID IN THE TWENTIES, RIGHT? YEAH.
I GET, SO I, AND I THINK THE ANSWER FROM WHAT YOU'VE SAID BEFORE WAS, NO, YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER YOU WANT INSIDE.
THIS IS JUST THE, THE FOUR WALLS.
I JUST WANT CLARITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING BY THE WATER ON THE WEST SIDE, WE'RE ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE THAT'S OVER BY THE WATER ON THE WEST SIDE THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN A VERY KIND OF, UM, ALMOST DECORATIVE WAY.
SO INTENTIONALLY YOU CAN CHANGE THE EXTERIOR TO MATCH, RIGHT? THE EXISTING CAMPUS, WHETHER IT'S A FACADE, A BRICK OR STONE OR WHATEVER, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO DO.
SO WE'RE NOT AS LOCKED IN AS YOU MIGHT BE WITH SEARS ROBOT.
THE FINISHES CAN BE SO, SO PART OF THAT SECTION GOES BACK TO WHOEVER THE DESAR, THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD IS, AND HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE TO OUTFIT THE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE TO BETTER MATCH THE PARTICULAR ON, ON PURPOSE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A, A MODULAR, PORTABLE LOOKING BUILDING.
SO I ALWAYS LAUGH WHEN I SIT IN A ROOM WITH PEOPLE THAT, SORRY, UH, PROVIDE MODULARS, THEY'RE LITERALLY AFFORDABLE THAT JUST MAYBE THEY ADD A BUNCH OF STUFF ON THE OUTSIDE.
IT'S LITERALLY, THE BONES ARE THE SAME.
IT'S A MOMENT FRAME, FOUR, FOUR CORNER MOMENT FRAME.
OUR OURS, LIKE, SO IF YOU LOOK IS A MONO PITCH ON MOST OF THE BUILDINGS, THE GYM IS, UH, UH, HAS A RIDGE, BUT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MONO SLOPE ON PURPOSE TO, TO NOT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE JUST PUTTING, TAKING OUT A PORTABLE AND THEN PUTTING IN A BETTER PORTABLE TYPE OF SCENARIO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, I, I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.
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KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU PUT INTO 'EM, KIND OF LIKE ELECTRICAL PANELS.HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DOES, LIKE YOU SAID HVAC, DO YOU KIND OF CATALOG STYLE, LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT, YOU'RE GONNA ADD THAT, YOU CAN'T ADD THAT, OR YOU CAN'T ADD THAT.
HOW DOES AMENITIES WORK FOR A BUILDING? IT WOULD TYPICALLY GO THROUGH, SO, SO THE ARRANGEMENT GOES, SO SAY YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED THIS SQUARE CLASSROOM, THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD WOULD THEN OUTFIT EITHER THE INTERIOR OR THE DESIGN OF THE EXTERIOR.
NOT NECESSARILY CHANGING THE FINISHES, BUT CHANGING THE COLORS, CHANGING THE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANNA FLAG CONFIGURATION ON THE WINDOW, DOOR CONFIGURATION.
THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE SUBJECT TO WHATEVER THE SITE ARCHITECT WANTS.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY, LIKE IF YOU'RE PUTTING A, UH, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A LIFT THAT REQUIRES, UH, SOME WEIGHT THAT'S SHARED BY THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO IT'S ON ITS OWN FOUR LEGS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADD THAT INTO THE PC.
UH, THEY WOULDN'T SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO TO THE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE DOES NOT IMPACT THE PC.
THE, THE OTHER THING, AND TO TALK, I, I KIND OF ESCAPED THIS WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A BOX IS ON PURPOSE.
IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE CONFIGURABLE.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE STUCK IN A, A CONFIGURATION WHERE IT'S THIS SIZE, YOU CAN JUST KEEP ADDING, YOU CAN MAKE IT AN LAZ OR, OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY ONLY HAVE TO BE EIGHT INCHES APART.
AND YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL, IT'S A, A SEISMIC JOINT THAT HAPPENS IN THERE, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW.
UM, BUT THAT IT'S BUILT ON PURPOSE TO BE CONFIGURABLE.
SO IF YOU COULD HAVE A GYM THAT'S SAY A HUNDRED HUNDRED AND THEN HAVE A 36 BY 36 CLASSROOM, RIGHT? LITERALLY EIGHT INCHES APART, BUT RIGHT UP AGAINST IT.
AND SO HOWEVER YOU OUTFIT IT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE, WOOD FLOOR, RUBBER FLOOR, WHATEVER, IT'S, THAT WOULD BE UP TO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
THAT'S WHY I GET REALLY CONCERNED WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHAT'S YOUR SQUARE FOOT NUMBER? BECAUSE THE CHANGES YOU KNOW, OF THE BUILDING ARE LITERALLY SITE TO SITE, DISTRICT TO DISTRICT HOW, HOW THE FITMENT IS.
SO YOU CAN DO IT NOW OR YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL LATER AND SAY A BUILDING NEEDS TO GROW TO ACCOMMODATE MORE CLASSROOMS. YOU CAN LITERALLY PUNCH OPEN ONE OF THE WALLS AND ADD RIGHT ONTO IT.
SO YOU CAN ADD TO EXISTING SPACES, OF COURSE, UH, YOU KNOW, GROWTH OF CAMPUSES.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAMPUSES HAVE GROWN.
THEY NEED MORE, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU CAN ADD ONTO IT.
A MATTER OF FACT TO TO FURTHER TO THIS, UM, IT'S NOT JUST CLASSROOMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GYMNASIUMS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
ADD ADD THAT TO YOUR DISCUSSION? SURE.
UH, I, I MEAN, OKAY, SO I, I WAS IN A SCHOOL DISTRICT AND IN THE, THE SORT OF A, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THE DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING WAS MEANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS I WAS FACING.
AND THE PROBLEM REMOTELY WAS THE MODULAR BUSINESS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PIRATE BUSINESS BECAUSE THE PRICING CHANGES UNTIL IT HAPPENS.
AND SO YOU'RE LOCKED IN ON A SET PRICE.
YOU GO TO DSA, YOU GET ANOTHER PRICE, THEN YOU SAY, OH, I SHOULD HAVE WENT STICK FRAME.
BUT BY THE TIME YOU'RE ALREADY, THE DRAWINGS ARE DONE, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO, THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH TO GO BACKWARDS.
SO YOU MOVE FORWARD AND THEN YOU END UP WITH A BUILDING THAT AT RIBBON CUTTING, YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE HIDING IN THE CORNER 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? AND SO THE DESIGN OF THIS WAS INTENDED TO FIT I I MOST THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN A SCHOOL OR COULD HAPPEN A SCHOOL FROM A FLEXIBILITY STANDPOINT.
SO THE CLASSROOM SETS WHETHER YOU DIVIDE THEM IN THE 1350 MODULES OR NINE 60 WHERE YOU PUT THE DOORS, HOWEVER YOU DO, THAT CAN BE AN ARRANGEMENT THAT YOU DO ON ANY OF THE BUILDINGS, WHETHER, UH, LIKE KIND OF WAS LIKE ALLUDING TO EARLIER.
YOU COULD JUST KEEP GOING AND JUST KEEP GOING.
UM, AND SO THAT SECTION IS DESIGNED ON PURPOSE TO MEET WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS NOT LOCKED INTO, IT'S 24 BY 40, AND IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING, YOU CAN CUT IN AN EIGHT FOOT OPENING AND YOU COULD JUST PASS THROUGH AND PRETEND LIKE IT'S ONE GIANT ROOM.
I, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT EXPERIENCE.
I, I WANTED SOMETHING THAT I COULD PICK FROM THAT WOULD BE QUICKLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED BECAUSE I CAN TAKE A, A BOX AND, AND DESIGN WHAT IT'S GONNA HAVE BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW THE, THE, THE CONFINES OF IT.
WHEN I STARTED WITH A, AN ARCHITECT, TYPICALLY, LIKE I SAID, AND I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING, I'D COME BACK AND THERE'D BE THESE OCTAGON CLASSROOMS. I'M LIKE, NO TEACHER WANTS AN OCTAGON.
I'M SORRY, I'M NOT EVEN TAKING THAT TO THEM.
AND YOU JUST WASTED, YOU KNOW, TWO MORE WEEKS ON THIS.
I NEED A SQUARE OR A RECTANGLE, WHATEVER, AND THIS IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE I WANT ONE DOOR.
AND PEOPLE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS GONNA BE THEIRS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY COULD HAVE.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE PREMISE
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OF THE OUTFITTING.AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED NINE MONTHS AND I KNOW IT WAS, UH, COVID IN A REGULAR WORLD, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE? 10.
IT'S NOT THAT, BUT, BUT HERE'S WHAT I WILL SAY.
SO I TALKED TO RON LAPLANT, GAVE HIM THE, I, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT THE SITUATION IS.
THEY HAVE A CONDEMNED BUILDING WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
HE, RON LAPLANT, WHO IS THE REGIONAL MANAGER OF SAN DIEGO DSA, NO PROBLEM.
OH, BY, JUST SO HAPPENS WE DID THOSE SPECIES.
SO THE, THE, THE START FROM FINISH WAS LITERALLY NINE MONTHS.
TYPICALLY WHAT I TELL PEOPLE IS THE CONSTRUCTION IS NINE TO 10 MONTHS CONSTRUCTION.
NOT, HEY, WE'RE SITTING HERE TODAY AND THEN IN NINE MONTHS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUILDING.
I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT THERE ARE EFFORTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN, IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
FOR DOWNEY, FOR EXAMPLE, AS THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD, THEY STANDARDIZED THEIR TK SETS TO BE CUBE.
SO MOVING FORWARD, EVERY BUILDING WILL BE A CUBE THAT THEY DO MOVING FORWARD.
SO NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ARRANGING THEIR PC TO BE THAT THREE, BASICALLY THAT THREE BUILDING CONFIGURATION.
AND IT WILL LITERALLY JUST BE BOILERPLATE, BOILERPLATE, BOILERPLATE.
THE ORIENTATION WILL CHANGE SITE TO SITE, BUT THE THREE ROOMS WILL STAY, OR THE THREE BUILDINGS WILL STAY THE SAME.
AND THAT SPEEDS THINGS UP DRAMATICALLY.
SO I COULD HONESTLY SAY MOVING FORWARD, ONCE THAT PC IS DONE AND WE HAVE THEIR DOWNEY PC, IT WOULD LITERALLY BE, WE'RE TALKING TODAY AT A NINE MONTHS.
IN ADDITION TO THE TIME LAPSE DOWNEY'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, AND WE'RE WATCHING THE FIRST TWO SITES OF FOUR GOING UP, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION AND GETTING THE STRUCTURAL FRAMING UP HAS BEEN ABOUT FIVE DAYS FOR EACH OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO YOU COULD SEE IT IN REAL TIME IF YOU WANTED TO VISIT A SITE.
AND THEN ARE THERE OTHER ENTITIES, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING SCHOOLS, BUT RECS AND PARKS, ARE THEY UTILIZING, YOU MENTIONED A GYM, ARE THEY ABLE TO DO THE SAME OR HAVE YOU DONE THAT WITH WE ARE CURRENTLY TALKING WITH SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES ABOUT THOSE FIRE STATIONS.
UM, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE IN THE WORKS NOW.
UM, WE DO LOOK AT A LOT OF COMMUNITY CENTERS.
UH, OUR PRODUCT DOES HAVE A MOMENT FRAME AND IT IS CONSIDERED A SAFE PLACE OF REFUGE.
SO FOR COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A STRUCTURALLY SOUND BUILDING THAT YOU HAS THE INTEGRITY TO GO IN AFTER AN EARTHQUAKE BASICALLY.
SO, UM, THAT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE TO MUNICIPALITIES AND SOME MORE AND MORE OF OUR CITIES ARE LOOKING AT THOSE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY BUILDINGS.
I KNOW MS. ORTIZ FRANKLIN, WHO'S ONLINE HAS A QUESTION.
SO I'LL TURN IT TO HER AND THEN SEE IF ANYONE ELSE ONLINE WANTS TO CHIME IN.
UM, THIS DEFINITELY SPARKED MY ATTENTION AS WE HAD A WORKSHOP A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE LIFTS LAB BUILDINGS, MANY OF WHICH WERE IN MY DISTRICT.
AND SO, UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MIGHT USE THIS GOING FORWARD.
I'D BE CURIOUS, UM, NOT FOR TODAY, BUT MAYBE CHRISTINA AND TEAM CAN HELP US THINK THROUGH LIKE SCHOOLS ARE GETTING EXCITED ABOUT THOSE RENOVATIONS.
LIKE AT WHAT POINT DO WE BRING THE COMMUNITY AND TO CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL, UM, IF THEY'RE ON THAT LIST OF THE LIFTS LAB RENOVATIONS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT, IF NOT, TOTALLY FINE TO JUST LIKE, THINK ABOUT IT.
WE CAN CHEW ON IT, COME BACK TO IT.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT CHRISTINA
UH, UH, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO AT THE, AT MY OPENING COMMENT IS THE, UH, SEISMIC WORK IS REGARDING OUR LIPS LABS.
SO, UM, A PRIORITIZATION PLAN THAT WE SHOWED THE BOARD IN NOVEMBER, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF CAMPUSES WHERE WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING THOSE STRUCTURES AND REPLACING 'EM.
AND SO I KNOW, UM, IN THE MEETING YOU HAD WITH AIX, AND WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT AT A LATER DATE, THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC NEXT STEPS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN ORDER TO EXPLORE THE VIABILITY OF THE SYSTEM FOR THOSE CAMPUSES.
WE THINK THAT IT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIND THREE VIABLE, KIND, UH, MODULAR MODELS OR THAT WORK FOR THE DISTRICT.
UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, DSA IS ON BOARD.
UM, WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE FACTORIES AND SEE HOW THEY'RE DONE, MAKE SURE THAT THEIR INSPECTIONS WORK WITH KIND OF WHAT OUR CRITERIA IS.
AND THEN OUR BIG LESSON LEARNED THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS IS, UM, FINDING A VERY KIND OF FAIR BALANCE BETWEEN OUR DISTRICT SPECIFICATIONS AND WHAT THE SPECIFICATIONS ARE IN YOUR PRE-APPROVED PCS.
AND WE BUILD FOR, YOU KNOW, A, UM, RESOURCE KIND OF DEPRIVED MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, UM, ENVIRONMENT.
SO WE NEED THINGS THAT WILL LAST,
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UM, LONG AND KIND OF ENDURE ALL THE USE THAT YOU'RE, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, YOU COME FROM A SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU UNDERSTAND, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE THEM BE SO SPECIALIZED THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ONLY CUSTOM BUILT.SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THIS EARLIER ON, WE HAD CEILINGS THAT WERE EIGHT FEET.
IF AT A HIGH SCHOOL, KIDS WERE THROWING STUFF UP ONTO THE CEILING THAT WOULD EMBED ITSELF IN THE, YOU KNOW, CEILING SUBSTRUCTURE.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD CLIMB LADDERS AND TAKE THAT STUFF OUT OF THE CEILINGS, RIGHT? SO ALL THESE KINDS OF KIND OF NUANCES WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.
WE THINK THAT ON THESE TYPES OF SITES, THERE WILL BE APPLICATIONS.
AND THEN TANYA, TO YOUR QUESTION OF WHEN DO WE BRING IN THE COMMUNITY? UM, WE BRING IN THE COMMUNITY AT KIND OF THE PLANNING AND THE DESIGN STAGES.
WE'D BE WALKING 'EM THROUGH, UM, KIND OF THE CONSIDERATIONS OF WHERE WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO LINE THAT UP WITH KIND OF HOW DOES THAT WORK ON THE PROCUREMENT SIDE AND WHAT IS THE VEHICLE THAT WE'RE USING TO BUY THESE? SO A LOT OF STITCHING TO HAPPEN, AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD KEEP OUR BOARD UP TO DATE WITH THAT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ALSO THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING, UM, MR. MELVOIN SAID RELATED TO OUR, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM REALIGNMENT POTENTIALLY OF, UM, CAMPUSES AND FACILITIES.
SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE ANALYSIS AND IN OUR FISCAL STABILIZATION, WE HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SCHOOL CONSOLIDATIONS AT SOME POINT.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO LINE UP, BUT I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THE TEAM AS WE ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE RENOVATIONS WHERE NECESSARY, PARTICULARLY IN THE SEISMIC CONCERNS, UM, THAT WE ARE ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE, THE REALIGNMENT OR THE RIGHT SIZING.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS ARE IN THIS SPACE WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT APPROVING TOO MANY FACILITIES, PROJECTS, UM, FOR CAMPUSES THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SERVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
UH, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, SPAN SCHOOLS AND, UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN ABOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL DECLINE, UM, AND JUST LIKE WHERE SOME OF THOSE POLICY DECISIONS MIGHT THEN IMPACT OUR FACILITY, UM, DECISIONS AS WELL.
SO I KNOW THE TEAM IS ALREADY THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, NICK, IT JUST REMINDED ME OF LIKE HOW TIMELY THIS REALLY IS.
UM, SO APPRECIATE THE, THE CREATIVE THINKING, UM, AND LOOK FORWARD TO LINING UP ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS.
FRANKLIN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE WHO, UH, WHO HAS QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OTHERWISE WE'LL, THANK OUR PRESENTERS.
UM, THANK YOU TO MICHELLE AND JEFF.
I KNOW THERE'LL BE SOME FOLLOW UP THAT THE COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD DOES, SO VERY HELPFUL.
[II.2. Shade Structures Follow-Up Discussion]
WE'RE GONNA TRANSITION TO OUR SHADE STRUCTURE FOLLOW UP.SO AT OUR LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT SHADE STRUCTURES.
WE'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS THAT FOLKS ON THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
SO I'VE ASKED THE TEAM TO SHARE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH A COUPLE SAMPLE PROJECTS.
I, UM, ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS FOR TODAY, UM, UH, PRESENTATION FROM THIS MORNING THAT I ALLUDED TO EARLIER FROM THE DISTRICT'S, THE BOARD COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ABOUT THE DISTRICT'S BOND PRIORITY PROGRAMS AND WHERE SHADE, UM, THE SHADE STRUCTURE PROGRAM, SHADE STRUCTURE, OVERPLAY STRUCTURES, WHERE THAT IS EMBEDDED.
UM, AND THEN ALSO AN ESTIMATE, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED A FEW YEARS AGO FROM A SHADE STRUCTURE AT ONE OF MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, LENA ROAD.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU MORE OF A SENSE, AT A DEEPER LEVEL OF THE CO THE CATEGORIES OF COSTS INVOLVED WITH THESE PROJECTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS RELATED TO ITEM TWO.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO I GUESS ALIX AND THE TEAM.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK AGAIN.
SO LAST TIME WE, OH WAIT, WHAT'S THAT LAST TIME TOO? SO LAST TIME WE SPOKE IN DECEMBER, I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT PROJECTS THAT WE WERE BRINGING TO THE BOARD.
THEY WERE JUST, HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO THE BOARD AND THEY WERE SHADE SHELTERS IN A PLAY YARD TODAY TO FRAME THE COMING MEASURE US PROJECTS, WHICH ARE SHADE OVER SHELTER WHOLE PROGRAM FOR THESE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THIS, I THINK, UM, AS I GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES, THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN RESEARCHING, LOOKING AT, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, EXPLAIN SOME THINGS TO YOU.
BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE QUEUING UP TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND BETTER AS WE MOVE INTO THIS PROGRAM.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
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WE'RE ADDING GREEN AND WE'RE ADDING TREES AND WE'RE ADDING SHADE ACROSS OUR PROJECTS.WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS A $40 MILLION, UH, MEASURE US SHADE OVERPLAY PROGRAM.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH DESIGN AND CLASS CONSIDERATIONS, SOME OF WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.
I HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT THAT WE STUDIED AND STUDIED AND STUDIED, UM, O MELVIN AND SYLVAN PARK.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU, UM, SYLVAN SYLVAN PARK IS IN A LIQUEFACTION ZONE.
SO WHAT, HOW WERE THOSE IMPACTS AND HOW DID THEY TRANSLATE TO DIFFERENCES IN CONSTRUCTION AND COST? AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT, UM, PLANNING AND PROCUREMENT STRATEGIES FOR THE FUTURE.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
UM, WHEN, BUT FOR THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, USUALLY THE HEIGHT IS DIFFERENT.
SO YOU'RE USUALLY STARTING AROUND 12 FEET WHEN YOU CROSS UNDER THAT FIRST BEAM TO BE UNDER THE SHADE.
SO THEY'RE A LITTLE TALLER THAN YOU SEE IF YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO CLEAR THE PLAY EQUIPMENT.
UM, TYPICALLY WE COVER THE WHOLE YARD.
UH, I SHOULDN'T USE THE WORD YARD.
THAT'S USUALLY DEFINED BY THE PLAY MATTING.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENCE.
UM, THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE PROJECTS ARE YOU'RE TRYING TO CLEAR PLAY MATTING.
YOU'RE TRYING TO CLEAR UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
YOU HAVE TO CLEAR THE HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT TRYING TO DO THIS BETTER, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO FIND A SIZE OR TWO THAT'LL WORK ON ALL OF THE PLAY EQUIPMENT.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT LIQUEFACTION FIRE SAFETY AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE RUN INTO THAT.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
DEPARTMENT OF THE STATE ARCHITECT, DSA, BASICALLY SETS ALL THE RULES FOR US TO FOLLOW.
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT MOST OF THEM THAT CHALLENGE OUR COST AND BUILDING AND APPROACH.
WE HAVE STRUCTURAL AND ACCESS AND SAFETY, PARTICULARLY FIRE LIFE SAFETY.
WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME IN DECEMBER, THERE WAS A PROJECT I DESCRIBED WHERE WE HAD TO UPGRADE FIRE ALARMS. AND THAT DOES HAPPEN.
UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT A PROJECT TODAY THAT WE JUST BID AND TURNS OUT THE FIRE ACCESS FOR THE FIRE TRUCK ISN'T COMPLIANT WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS.
AND SO THAT SHADE SHELTER PROJECT HAS TO COM.
NOW TAKE ON THE COST OF MAKING A WIDER FIRETRUCK ACCESS.
SO THO THESE THINGS HAPPEN ON OLDER SCHOOLS.
UM, STRUCTURAL DESIGN IS SEISMIC AND WIND LOAD AND SEISMIC TRANSLATES TO OUR SITE SPECIFIC SOILS.
AND OF COURSE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST.
THE A DA, UM, SB 515 LIMITS OUR INVESTMENT IN A DA ACCESSIBILITY FOR A SHADE SHELTER TO 20% OR LESS.
AND WE'RE FALLING INTO THAT, UM, PERCENTAGE.
WE'VE BEEN ANALYZING, MAKING SURE WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO US.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
SO THE TWO PROJECTS I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, WE STARTED LOOKING AT THESE IN 2022, AND WE COMPLETED THEM IN JANUARY, 2025.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A 30 BY 40 SHADE STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE COLUMNS CLEARED, THE PLAY MATTING, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE COLUMNS.
THERE'S FOUR HERE ARE PROTECTED.
SO CHILDREN, IF THEY RUN INTO THEM, ARE HITTING A, UH, SOFT SURFACE.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT ALL OF THEM, ALL THE SITES.
SO IT HAS THE HIGHER CLEARANCE, 12 FEET, AND IT HAD 20% OR LESS IN A DA ACTUAL PROJECT COSTS CONSTRUCTION, ALL COSTS IN $318,000.
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QUESTION.WHY DOES IT COST THAT MUCH? HERE'S A BIT OF A BREAKDOWN.
SO THE FIR THE FIRST, AT THE TOP OF THIS, YOU SEE A CATEGORIZATION OF PRE-CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND OTHER COSTS.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, WE TOTAL EVERYTHING UP.
I'D LIKE YOU TO NOTE UNDER OTHER COSTS, PROJECT CONTINGENCY CHANGE, ORDER CONTINGENCY.
SO WHEN WE PUT THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATED BUDGET TOGETHER, THIS WAS THE BREAKDOWN.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER COSTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT $40,000 OVER THERE, THAT ASSUMES YOU'RE GONNA NEED THAT MONEY.
YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SITE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CHANGE ORDERS, AND YOU'LL HAVE ESCALATION.
SO THAT'S A POT OF MONEY THAT'S SET ASIDE THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA ABSORB AND YOU'LL LOOK DOWN AT ACTUAL CAUSE.
AND YOU SEE IT, IT GOES TO NA 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN ROLLED INTO THE CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL COSTS, THAT'S WHY THAT'S 44% DRIVES UP TO 68%.
88,000 WAS WHAT WE ASSUMED THE STRUCTURE AND INSTALLATION OF THE SHADE SHELTER WAS GONNA BE.
BUT WHEN, WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT ALL IN IT WAS 183, WELL $184,000.
SO THAT MEANS THAT WE HAD TO DO OTHER WORK ON THE SITE.
WE HAD TO, AND WE ALSO ABSORBED THE PROJECT CONTINGENCY OF THE CHANGE ORDERS IN THE ESCALATION.
SO WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE SHADE SHELTER ITSELF? WELL, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THE SHADE, SHELTER COST AND COST GO UP ALL THE TIME IN EVERY CATEGORY, NOTHING GOES DOWN.
UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT $76,000 WHEN WE BID THE PROJECT.
THE ACTUAL WAS A 90,000 SHADE SHELTER.
I, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS DATA, I WAS LOOKING AT 117,000 THAT TODAY IS 177,000.
SO COSTS FOR THE SHADE SHELTERS ARE GOING UP JUST LIKE ALL OUR OTHER COSTS.
I DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THAT OTHER THAN THERE'S A PATTERN THERE.
LET'S LOOK AT OLD MELVIN, I MEAN SYLVAN PARK.
ONE IS IT'S A 30 BY 60 STRUCTURE.
SAME HEIGHT STARTS AT 12 AND FEET, 12 FEET ABOVE YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU ENTER, UH, THIS HAS SIX COLUMNS, SO THAT'S GONNA COST US MORE MONEY.
AND THIS IS IN A LIQUEFACTION ZONE.
SO LOOK AT THAT COST, $491,000.
SO HERE'S SOMETHING WHEN I EXAMINE THIS, HOW COULD WE DO BETTER? SO YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION, WE THOUGHT, OH, IT'S GONNA BE $88,000.
IT, WE DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LIQUEFACTION.
WE JUST USED A STANDARD, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT, THAT, WHAT THESE THINGS COST US, AND WE JUST FILL OUT A FORM.
BUT AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE, WHEN I GET TO THE LAST SLIDE, WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT APPROACH.
OKAY? SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE STICKER SHOCK WHEN YOU GET TO ACTUAL THAT.
OH, WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO LIQUEFACTION, WE HAD TO REDESIGN IT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE LIQUEFACTION? WHY DO WE HAVE LIQUEFACTION? WELL, WE HAVE PLENTY OF SITES WITH LIQUEFACTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, ON THE FIRST BULLET IS OVER TIME, WHEN YOU BUILD THE FOUNDATION, AND IT'S REALLY NOT THE, SO THE FRAME OF THE SHADE SHELTER THAT'S SO HEAVY, BUT IT ALL IN ALL, WHAT CAN HAPPEN IS THE FOUNDATIONS AND THE COM COLUMNS CAN SETTLE DIFFERENTLY.
SO IF YOU THINK OF SYLVAN PARK, THAT MEANS ONE OR TWO COLUMNS COULD SINK, RIGHT? AND THEN START RACKING, UH, TILTING OR ROTATION OF COLUMNS OVER TIME WITH DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT WOULD BE A RESULT.
BUT THAT WOULD ALSO HAPPEN IN AN EARTHQUAKE IF YOU HADN'T
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PROPERLY DESIGNED THE CO THE FOUNDATIONS.UM, WHAT ELSE HAPPENS? YOU CAN HAVE WIND THAT CAN CREATE UPLIFT.
SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE DON'T JUST DESIGN FOR LIQUEFACTION.
WE HAVE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE HIGH WIND ZONES WHERE WE HAVE TO DESIGN TO THE WIND ZONE.
UM, SO YOU DON'T WANT THESE STRUCTURES WITH WIND OR AN EARTHQUAKE HAVING UPLIFT, PULLING UP YOUR FOUNDATION OR PULLING YOUR ANCHOR BOLTS OUT.
YOUR ANCHOR BOLTS ARE ATTACHING THE STEEL ABOVE GROUND STRUCTURE TO THE COLUMNS.
AND OF COURSE, YOU WANT TO AVOID, UH, DAMAGED UNDERGROUND FACILITIES, UH, WHICH COULD BE TORN OUT.
AND TYPICALLY, BY THE WAY, THE, THE, UM, THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS ARE NOT REALLY ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS. WE HAVE PA SYSTEMS AND FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS THAT, OF COURSE, ARE OUT ON THE YARD TO PROTECT STUDENTS WHO ARE UNDERNEATH THE SHADE SHELTER AND MAY NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED WITH IN AN EMERGENCY, WHOOP, SORRY, WENT THE WRONG WAY.
SO HERE TO HELP YOU VISUALIZE, WHAT ARE THESE FOUNDATIONS LIKE? SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE FINISHED GRADE, THAT'S WHERE YOUR GROUND PLATE IS.
SO ABOVE THAT GROUND PLANE IS THE STRUCTURAL COLUMNS, THE STRUCTURAL STEEL FRAME, AND THE FABRIC.
AND WHAT'S UNDERGROUND IS THE FOUNDATION.
SO FOR A TYPICAL COLUMN FOUNDATION, YOU SEE YOU GO ABOUT EIGHT FOOT SIX DEEP.
THAT THAT FOUNDATION IS TWO FEET IN DIAMETER FILLED WITH REINFORCING STEEL.
AT SYLVAN PARK, BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC LIQUEFACTION ZONE, YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN TO 14 FEET.
THAT'S MORE CONCRETE, AND THAT'S MORE STEEL FRAMING IN THAT COLUMN.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT AS WE'RE STEPPING BACK AND LOOKING TOWARD THE FUTURE, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING.
SO ONE IS AS, AS WE'RE MOVING INTO THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE AT THE COW THIS MORNING, OUR PRIORITIZATION FOR THESE PROJECTS IS SET.
EVERYBODY WILL GO OUT TO EACH SITE.
THEY WILL FIND OUT NOW IF THEY HAVE LIQUEFACTION, THEY WILL GET SPECIFIC GEO TESTING FOR EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THIS SHADE SHELTER.
AND THEN WE CAN PROPERLY BUDGET FOR THAT BEFORE WE GO TO THE BOARD.
WE WILL ALSO DO OTHER DUE DILIGENCE NOW BEFORE WE GO TO THE BOARD, SO THAT YOUR INITIAL BUDGET SHOULD BE A BETTER BUDGET THAN WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE PAST, WHICH WAS KIND OF A TEMPLATE APPROACH.
WHEN I LOOKED AT EVERYTHING WE HAD BEEN DOING, I SAID, WELL, WE'RE GONNA FIX, FIX THESE BUDGET TEMPLATES AND IMPROVE THEM.
SO YOU'RE REALLY CAPTURING BETTER DESIGN AND SOFT COSTS UPFRONT.
AGAIN, A BETTER EXPECTATION THAT EVERYONE SEES THE NUMBER EARLY AND DOESN'T SEE TWICE THE NUMBER.
WHEN WE COME BACK TO BID, WHEN WE BID IT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT JOB ORDER CONTRACTING AND FORMAL BIDS.
AND AS I SAID ON ALNY, WE ACTUALLY BID IT THREE TIMES.
WE ARE TYPICALLY BIDDING MULTIPLE TIMES TRYING TO SEE LIKE, WHAT ARE THE FACTORS? WHY DON'T WE, WHY ARE THESE NUMBERS SO HIGH? SO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS THAT I SHOWED YOU, THOSE NUMBERS ARE AFTER WE MULTIPLE TAKE MULTIPLE BIDS TO TRY TO FIND OUT CAN WE GET A BETTER PRICE? UM, NOT, I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION ON JOB ORDER CONTRACTING OR FORMAL BID BECAUSE WE NEED TO STUDY IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY, IF ONE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY.
SOMETIMES ONE, ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER BECAUSE THE PRICE COMES IN, LIKE WE LIKE IT, IT'S NOT THAT THE WORK IS, UM, IN AND OF ITSELF IS DIFFERENT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL PROCUREMENT APPROACHES.
SO SINCE WE HAVE THIS BODY OF WORK, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO, THESE ARE NOT ONE-OFFS.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT BUNDLING, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT DESIGN BUILD,
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WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT BUILDING, UH, EFFICIENCY INTO OUR APPROACH.SO THAT WOULD START WITH, CAN WE USE 30 BY 60 OR 30 BY 40 ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THESE PROJECTS? AND SO THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT AND WE'RE NOT CUSTOMIZING EVERY SINGLE SITE.
UM, I THINK DESIGN BUILD MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD WAY TO GO.
IF WE BUNDLE THESE AND WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
UH, CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF, I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT.
AND THEN OUTREACH TO CONTRACTORS.
SO WHAT I NOTICED ON THE TWO MOST RECENT BIDS WAS WE DID HAVE NINE BIDDERS, OR EIGHT, EIGHT BIDDERS.
AND OUR, OUR BID CAME VERY, VERY CLOSE TO OUR ESTIMATE.
SO THE MORE BIDDERS YOU HAVE, THE BETTER THE COMPETITION.
AND THAT'S JUST A STARTING POINT.
SO WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS OF WHAT, WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED, WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF MEETINGS SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK.
THESE MEETINGS ARE WITH BOTH PROCUREMENT AND WITH OUR PROJECT EXECUTION SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO WE WILL BE PUTTING A MODEL TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST GROUP OF PROJECTS, AND WE HOPE THAT THEY COME IN, UH, REASONABLY PRICED.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET DOWN TO 200,000 BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL COLUMNS, SHADE, SHELTER AND THE FOUNDATIONS ARE JUST UNDER 200,000.
ALEX WAS REFERENCING A COMMENT I MADE IN THE BOARD MEETING EARLIER.
WHEN I WAS SAYING THAT I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD NOW MONTHS OF, OF JUSTIFICATIONS OF WHY THESE THINGS COST SO MUCH.
AND I THINK, I KNOW I AM AT A POINT WHERE, UM, WE CAN'T JUSTIFY IT TO PARENTS AND TO THE SCHOOL.
AND SO WHETHER THAT'S AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL, WE HAVE TO, LIKE, IF IT'S $200,000 FOR COLUMNS, THEN LIKE, LET'S GET METAL POLES OR LET'S ATTACH A TARP TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT CODES NEED TO CHANGE TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S NOT, UH, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S JUST LAUGHABLE.
BUT, UM, I'LL, WITH THAT, I WILL, UM, PAUSE AND ASK MY QUESTIONS AFTER.
UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, REBUTTALS FROM THE COMMITTEE? UH, YEAH, STEVE, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, LANAI ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, STILL A CORRECT, UM, UH, PURCHASE PRICE? THIS, THIS, I, I PICKED THIS UP OUT HERE, SO I HAVEN'T STUDIED THIS.
AH, UM, THIS IS A COMPLETED PROJECT.
SO I, THIS IS A COMPLETED PROJECT AND I THINK THIS IS A BUDGET WORKSHEET.
THAT WAS PROBABLY, IT WAS AN ESTIMATE.
WE SHOULD GET AS IT FOLLOW FOLLOW UP THE ACTUAL, SO IT HASN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET, OR OH, NO, IT'S COMPLETE.
UNDER HOW MANY YEARS OLD IS WE HAVE TO THIS, WE HAVE ASKED FOR A GREATER LEVEL.
THIS, THIS WAS MORE SPECIFIC FROM THE TEAM THAN LAST MONTH.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET MORE SPEC SPECIFICS.
THIS WAS SOMETHING MY OFFICE HAD.
THIS IS ONE OF MY SCHOOLS AS THE ESTIMATE.
IT TOOK FIVE YEARS TO GET DONE
UM, BUT THEN, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW, AND WE ACTUALLY, HOW CAN WE GET THE COMPLETED DOC LIKE THIS, BUT THE COMPLETED VERSION? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WE DON'T USUALLY PUBLISH OUR PRICES BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR PRICES ARE, BUT YEAH.
UM, WE DON'T PUBLISH OUR NUMBERS.
THEN THAT MAKES GET TOO EXPENSIVE.
UM, UM, SO BY THE WAY, THIS IS OBSOLETE.
AND SO WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT REVIEWING, UM, EVALUATE BUDGET TEMPLATES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT REEVALUATING HOW WE BUDGET THESE AND IS THIS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND WHAT'S THE LONG HISTORY OF THE LAST 10 PROJECTS, RIGHT? AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THIS? YEAH.
AS OPPOSED TO TAKING BULLET NUMBER ONE, WALKING OUT THERE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND DOING YOUR GEOTECH REPORT IN ADVANCE, YOU CAN MAKE A MUCH BETTER ESTIMATE.
AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT THE, UM, SPECIFICATIONS AND SO FORTH, AND I HAD A, UH, QUOTATION DONE BASED ON CMASS, AND IT WAS $50,000 LESS THAN THIS WITH THE SAME PRODUCTS.
OF COURSE, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF THE FOUNDATION, AS YOU SAY.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HUGE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO.
BUT, UM, AS OLD AS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, STILL IN TERMS OF THE PRICES, YOU KNOW, THE PRICES HAVEN'T ESCALATED.
LIKE YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER.
UM, WELL, AND I KNOW IT'S ADDRESSED HERE ABOUT CONSIDERING THE LIMITED NUMBER OF SHADE SHELTER CONFIGURATIONS.
AND WE TALKED MR. FRIEDMAN LAST
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TIME ABOUT KIND OF OFF THE SHELF PURCHASING, BECAUSE I DO THINK, I MEAN, IN THIS ESTIMATE, THE PLANS FOR THE SHADE STRUCTURE, WHICH LOOK EXACTLY LIKE ALL THESE OTHER SHADE STRUCTURES OR $44,000.AND I THINK THAT SCHOOLS, I, I THINK SH SHOULD NOT HAVE THE DISCRETION NECESSARILY TO, TO DESIGN.
I MEAN, THESE SHOULD BE OFF THE, OFF THE SHELF.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO WHERE WE ARE IN POTENTIALLY PURCHASING AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IN THAT'S IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS FOR THE BOARD MEETING THIS MORNING IS WE'RE GONNA DO 49, YOU KNOW, SEVEN IN EACH BOARD DISTRICT, UM, SHADE STRUCTURES, OVERPLAY STRUCTURES.
AND SO IF WE SAID WE'RE GONNA BUY ONE AND WE'RE GONNA BUY 49 OF THESE AND PUT THEM, AND IF, IF THE TOP SEVEN SCHOOLS THAT I CHOOSE, AND THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY USE FIVE OF MY SEVEN AND WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT TWO, FINE.
BUT I'M, I'M CURIOUS, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION, RIGHT? BUT WHY NOT JUST BUY OR PUT OUT A BID FOR 49 OF THE SAME SHADE STRUCTURE, CMAS OR OTHERWISE, AND SEE HOW, LIKE, IS THAT GONNA BE THE PLAN OR, OR TELL ME WHY NOT? WELL, THE ONES THAT MINUS THE ONES THAT ARE IN A LIQUEFACTION OR A HIGH WIND ZONE, THOSE HAVE TO BE RE-ENGINEERED SPECIFICALLY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE FOUNDATION, IT'S THE WHOLE FRAME.
SO ONCE WE HAVE THE 49, SUBTRACT THE ONES THAT ARE IN EFIC FACTION ZONE OR IN A HIGH WIND AND MAYBE HAVE 30, MAYBE HAVE 35 OR HAVE, OR, OR CHOOSE A DIFFERENT 49.
AND THEN I ALSO AM, SO I GUESS, LET ME ASK THE FIRST QUESTION OR LIKE, CHOOSE, WE GET TO 49.
I MEAN, I, THERE ARE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR SCHOOLS, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S RELATIVELY HIGH, BUT ARE IN A LIQUEFACTION ZONE.
I MEAN, IT'S MOST OF THE WEST SIDE AND THE WEST VALLEY TOO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I STILL LIKE, YOU CAN DEFINITELY START WITH 49 SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT LIQUIFACTION OR IN LIQUI, THE LIQUI ACTION ZONE.
SO THAT, I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T STIPULATE THAT AS PART OF THIS FIRST 49, LIKE NO LIQUIFACTION ZONE.
BUT I GUESS TO THE QUESTION OF JUST WHY CAN'T WE JUST PURCHASE 1 49 OF THE SAME? WELL, I HOPE WE COULD PICK, PICK, HAVE PROBABLY TWO MODELS THAT WORK.
I I, I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO 49 AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE SIZE.
WHY NOT? BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS JUST LIKE O MELVIN AND SYLVAN PARK.
ONE 30 BY 40, LOOK, ONE 30 BY SIX.
BUT MATT, CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT, BUT WE CAN STUDY THAT.
WELL, I'M ASKING, I KNOW, BUT THIS, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE QUICKLY.
SO I'M TRY, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY LIKE THOSE LOOK, I MEAN ONE SIX COLUMN, ONE FOUR COLUMN.
BUT YOU COULD, I MEAN, I THINK IN GENERAL, IF, IF YOU CAN STANDARDIZE THE MODELS, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU GET THE PURCHASING POWER AND IT'S PROBABLY NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR PREVIOUS GUESTS TALKING ABOUT YEAH.
DEFINITELY I'M PROPOSING THAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE WILL, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TOGETHER MM-HMM
SO THAT'S KIND OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MARKET WITH THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL PAUSE AND GO TO MY COLLEAGUES AND THEN COME BACK ON THAT QUESTIONS.
SO I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION, AS YOU SAID, LIQUEFACTION AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE TWO PROJECTS HERE, WHAT IS THE COST TO TEST FOR LIQUEFACTION? UH, IT WAS $22,000.
SO WOULD IT HAVE
THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ABOUT THE TESTING, IT'S ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS AND THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE STEEL FRAMING, WELDING CONDITIONS.
THE CONNECTIONS ARE DIFFERENT FOR, FOR THE SYLVAN PARK, IT HAS TO WITHSTAND MORE FORCES.
AND SO THAT'S NOT A STANDARD THAT IS, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YOU KNOW HOW WE USE THE TERM PRE-CERTIFIED PC EARLIER? YES.
SO OFF THE SHELF IT'S A PC, IT'S GOT CERTAIN SIZE, STRENGTH, CONNECTIONS ARE ALREADY DESIGNED.
THE BOLTS TO THE FOUNDATION ARE DESIGNED, AND IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT SIX FOUNDATION.
IF YOU HAVE LIQUEFACTION, THE MANUFACTURER OF THAT SHADE SHELTER HAS TO UPDATE HIS DESIGN FOR THE STEEL FRAME AND FOR THE FOUNDATIONS.
AND THAT COST SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT AND THAT, AND THAT COST.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE COSTCO VERSION OF THIS WHERE IT'S SAFE, BUT YET NOT HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED GRAND MORE FOR THE PROJECT.
THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE IS THAT IF YOU'RE IN A LIQUIFACTION ZONE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR THE SAME SHADE SHELTER THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE OVER.
I MEAN, THEY APPEAR TO BE THE SAME, BUT ONE
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COSTS A LOT MORE BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC ENGINEERING.BUT I GUESS CERTAIN TWO, TWO FOLLOW UPS TO MISS HE ABOUT ONE IS, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING A BULK LIQUI ACTION TESTING AND TRYING TO REDUCE THAT $22,000 PER SITE COST? I GUESS PART OF THE SHADE PRIORITIZATION, IT'S, IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE EXACT SITE.
SO WE COULDN'T SAY TO SOME SOIL EXPERT, WELL, WE COULD TAKE THE WORST CONDITION ACROSS ALL OF THE 49 SITES AND DESIGN EVERYTHING TO THAT, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST THING TO DO.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING, SORRY, THE 22,000 IS TO TEST TO SEE IF THERE IN A LIQUI ACTION ZONE OR TO FIGURE OUT NO, THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF THAT SPECIFIC SITE.
SO LIQUEFACTION VARIES ACROSS THE SITE.
SO HOW MUCH JELLO YOU HAVE UNDER THE GROUND PLANE IS CAN BE DIFFERENT.
BUT I WAS CAN YOU STILL PROCURE LIKE A CONSULTANT AT A LOWER COST TO DO A, A, A MASS NUMBER ANALYSIS? OH, I WOULD LOOK INTO IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE EXACT SITES AND DO THE EXACT TESTING AND THEN RIGHT.
BUT IF WE SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO 49 SITES INSTEAD OF ONE, WE LOOK INTO THAT.
I WOULD, IF THERE'S AN EFFICIENCY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS FOR THOSE LIQUEFY, LIKE REMIND US IF THERE'S A SHADE STRUCTURE, IF THERE IS A PLAY STRUCTURE THAT'S IN A KINDER YARD THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO BOTH THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THE BUILDING MM-HMM
UM, AND THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR MS. ALVAREZ WHEN IT COMES TO OUR STATE ADVOCACY.
INSTEAD OF PAYING $500,000 TO PUT IN SIX POSTS, 14 FEET IN THE GROUND, WHY NOT JUST, UH, HAVE A SHADE SALE THAT WE SEE AT MOST OTHER INSTITUTIONS? LIKE NOT, UM, UNIFIED NECESSARY, BUT A LOT OF INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS, OTHERS, AND LIKE THAT IS THE SOLUTION FOR THAT SCHOOL? UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? MY QUESTION IS, IN THAT CASE, RATHER THAN SPENDING $500,000, WE WOULD SAY, OH, IN THIS INSTANCE WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PUT A SHADE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A TARP THAT'S LIKE CONNECTED TO THE BUILDING ON ONE SIDE AND THE FENCE AND THE TREE ON THE OTHER.
AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA GET SHADE OVER THIS STRUCTURE.
I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME SITES YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT NOT WITHIN CURRENT DSA.
SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT REGULATION AND CODES HAVE TO CHANGE TO DO THAT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WHICH WE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND I'LL HAVE MY TEAM FOLLOW UP TOO, BECAUSE SENATOR STERN HAS BROUGHT AGAIN, A NEW SHADE BILL IN THE LAST WEEK.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT NOT JUST REDUCING THE DSA COSTS, 'CAUSE EVEN ON LIKE EVEN A 20%, THAT'S STILL PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE, BUT ALSO WHAT ALTERNATIVES TO CONCRETE PILLARS MM-HMM
AND A TENT, UH, IN A, IN A CANVAS, THERE ARE, UM, THAT COULD REDUCE OUR COSTS.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE COST, AND I GUESS WE'RE OFTEN TRYING TO COMPARE BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST DISTRICTS, WHERE IS THE COST SAVINGS? DO WE GET THAT COST SAVINGS BEING THE LARGEST DISTRICT? OR YOU ARE CHARGED MORE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE LARGEST DISTRICT AND BEING ABLE TO COMPARE TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE BUILDING PLACE STRUCTURES ACROSS THE DISTRICT? DO WE HAVE THOSE ANALYSIS TO SAY? SO, SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS AN ONGOING, UH, RESEARCH PROJECT.
SO I JUST DID MY OWN, UH, CHAT, GBT GOOGLE AND, UH, FOUND THAT SAN DIEGO, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY WHICH SCHOOL DISTRICTS LAST JULY BID, THREE SCHOOL SHADE SHELTER PROJECTS FOR 960 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS CONSTRUCTION ONLY.
NOW, I DIDN'T GO INTO THE EXACT, I DIDN'T GO INTO THE PLAN ROOM AND DRILL DOWN IN WHAT EXACTLY DID THEY BUILD, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, TAKE NINE 60 DIVIDED BY THREE, THAT'S 330,000 WITHOUT SOFT COSTS, WITHOUT AN ARCHITECT.
SO WE COULD, WE WILL DO MORE RES RESEARCH ON THAT.
UM, I ALSO TALKED TO ANOTHER LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I SENT THEM AN EMAIL AND I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SHADE SHELTERS? AND I WROTE THIS AT LIKE SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
HE WRITES TO ME AND HE SAYS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WITH YOUR TIMING, BUT I'VE GOT THREE PROJECTS FOR SHADE SHELTERS IN FRONT OF ME AT $800 A SQUARE FOOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I'M GONNA SEE HIM, UH, LATER THIS WEEK.
NO, SOUNDS LIKE THE GREATEST HUSTLE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT CO-SPONSORS FOR OUR NEW LEGISLATION.
BUT I THINK TOO, I MEAN, I DO APPRECIATE THE TEAM FOLLOWING UP BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO, AS THIS COMMITTEE, THE SHADE STRUCTURES I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT MICROCOSM BECAUSE ONE WITH THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY, IT'S AFFECTING EVERYONE'S DISTRICT.
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TWO, IT'S LIKE THE GREAT, IT'S A GREAT, UM, IT'S ILLUSTRATIVE OF, OF ALL THESE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE DISTRICT'S OWN REGULATIONS THAT'S LEADING TO COST SPECULATION? WHAT IS THE STATE, WHAT IS FEDERAL? AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO IT.AND THIS IS NOT TO THROW SHADE PUN INTENDED ON LA UNIFIED.
THIS IS TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS JUST CRAZY, THAT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT SHADE OVER OUR PLAY STRUCTURE, UM, THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO MM-HMM
TO, TO WHERE, WHICH LEVERS WE CAN PULL, UM, INCLUDING DSA AND IN SACRAMENTO.
UM, DAVID, I THINK YOU HAD, I WAS I JUST REAL QUICKLY, I WAS GONNA COMMENT TOO THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE OF THE SAGE STRUCTURE AT SO PARK, I SEE SIX, SIX COLUMNS AS YOU CALLED THEM, ALEX.
AND I SEE TWO TARPS AND I'M LOOKING, AND I, THAT I'M A WORKING CLASS GUY.
THAT DOESN'T ADD UP TO ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR NOT, NOT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING.
IT JUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME ABOVE GROUND.
I KNOW YOU GAVE THE BREAKDOWN, BUT I, ABOVE GROUND, ABOVE GROUND, I, I JUST, IT'S ALL UNDERGROUND AND IT'S PROBABLY ALL IN AND SOME OTHER FACTOR.
I BELIEVE IF WE TOLD THE PARENTS OF THAT SCHOOL WHAT THAT CAUSED IT, I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT UPROAR.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M THINKING.
I'M NO LONGER A PARENT OF, OF, UH, CHILDREN WHO ARE IN SCHOOLS.
SO I'M, I'M JUST, THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY I THINK.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET, I MEAN, I THINK SYLVANS A GOOD EX EXAMPLE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, THIS IS WHY WE'VE PRIORITIZED AS A BOARD AND DISTRICT SHADE AND GREENING.
'CAUSE LOOK AT THAT CAMPUS, THERE'S NO GREEN EXCEPT FOR A FEW TREES, WHICH ARE ALSO GRACE SHADE STRUCTURES.
SO WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING MORE, MORE PLANTING OF TREES AND THAT TINY, TINY, TINY LITTLE SHADE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO FOR WHAT YOU COULD COVER THAT WHOLE SCHOOL, THE BLACK TOP WITH YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BUILD TONS OF PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURES.
I'D ALSO BE CURIOUS AS KIND OF DIGGING DEEPER, AGAIN, PUN INTENDED, BUT ON THE LIQUI ACTION COST, LIKE TO GO FROM SIX FEET UNDER TO 14 FEET, WHAT'S THAT? ADDITIONAL COST AND MATERIALS AND LABOR.
UM, BECAUSE THAT ALSO, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY SIX FEET DOWN, YOU GO EIGHT FEET MORE AND YOU NEED THIS MUCH MORE OF A THING.
WHY IS THAT COSTING ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? LIKE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT BEING FACETIOUS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW I GET, OKAY, GREAT.
WE'RE THERE, WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER.
IS IT FOR EVERY FOOT WE'RE NOW ADDING ANOTHER 20 5K TO THE PROJECT AND, AND WHY? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MM-HMM
UM, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT ONLY IN THE FOUNDATION, THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE STRUCTURAL FRAME ABOVE YOUR HEAD.
I, I'D ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M RETICENT TO SAY THIS IN PUBLIC, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE DSA NO, 'CAUSE THAT'S AN, IS LIKE, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A IN CALIFORNIA HAS SHADE STRUCTURE COLLAPSED OR FELL BECAUSE MY, YOU KNOW, BAD AND TRAGIC FACTS MAKE BAD POLICY.
AND SO MY HUNCH IS THAT IN THE SEVENTIES OR SOMETHING HAS SHADE STRUCTURE WAS SHODDILY BUILT AND FELL AND INJURED OR OR WORSE KILLED A KID.
AND NOW THIS APPARATUS, UM, HAS BEEN CREATED AND YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF KIDS WHO ARE NOW SUBJECT TO THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY, UM, HEAT STROKE AND CAN'T GO OUTSIDE AND MANY BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND IT'S, IT'S WORTH ASKING LIKE AT WHAT COST.
AND SO I I, I WOULD BE CURIOUS LIKE WHEN THE LAST TIME A SHADE STRUCTURE, UH, AND, AND I'VE, 'CAUSE I THINK TOO, AT LEAST WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS LAST TIME, UM, THE, THE REASON YOU COULDN'T ATTACH LIKE JUST A TARP TO A BUILDING IS BECAUSE THEN IT TRIGGERS FIRE SAFETY REGULATIONS.
AND AGAIN, PROBABLY WELL INTENDED, BUT LIKE, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME A SHADE SAIL CAUGHT ON FIRE AND BROUGHT DOWN A BUILDING? AND LIKE, IS IT WORTH HAVING THESE, I MEAN, THESE ARE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE, BUT THERE IS A COST ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND IT'S THE COST OF KIDS AT SYLVAN PARK WHO MANY DAYS NOW, LIKE, WHO WANTS TO GO OUT AND PLAY ON THAT YARD.
UM, AND SO, UH, MS. ORTIZ, FRANKLIN, ANYTHING? I KNOW DANA GREEN, MISS GREENSPAN'S ONLINE TOO.
THE ONLY THING MY SCHOOLS EVER WANNA KNOW IS WHEN IS IT THEIR TURN? YEAH.
I HAVE SEVERAL WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING
THE GOOD NEWS IS WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GET ON THE CAL, WE NOW HAVE BUY-IN OF THE 49 SITES THAT WE'RE GONNA, UM, START WITH.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO, OR YOU CAN NOTIFY YOUR SCHOOLS THAT THEY'RE ON THE LIST AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THE FIRST ROUND OF PROJECTS.
UM, I THINK WE'RE PLANNING TO BRING ALL OF THEM WITH A IDEA OF HOW QUICKLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO PULSE THEM OUT BY THE, UH, THIS SUMMER, HOPEFULLY BEFORE
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THE BOARD GOES ON RECESS.UM, I GUESS I WAS JUST WONDERING A COUPLE MORE THINGS ABOUT LIQUEFACTION, WHICH IN ALL MY YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH.
SO IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE IF THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE IS DEALING WITH LIQUEFACTION, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST, UM, SO, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS LIKE IF YOU FIND SOME LIQUEFACTION, ARE THERE TIERS OF IT? IS THERE LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF TREATMENT VERSUS LIKE, IT'S ALL OR NOTHING? UM, ARE THOSE D IS THAT STATE ARCHITECT REGULATIONS? IT DOES DIFFERENTIATE.
IT'S NOT, IT DOES ALL THE SAME.
IT THERE EACH SITE IS MM-HMM
IN OTHER WORDS, LIQUEFACTION IS NOT EQUAL FROM ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO ANOTHER.
SOME HAVE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS JELLO, SOME HAVE A DEEPER BOWL OF JELLO.
YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING IS THAT THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD, ARE THEY ALL, LIKE, ONCE YOU SAY IT'S LIQUEFACTION, THEN ARE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THE SAME OR ARE THERE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH CONDITION? DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH CONDITION.
AND THE D AND THE STATE ARCHITECT MAKES THE RULES FOR LIQUEFACTION.
UM, LIKE WHO, WHERE ARE THE, IT IT'S A STRUCTURAL ISSUE.
SO YES, IT'S UNDER THE, THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA IS BY GEOTECH ENGINEERS WHO PROVIDE THEIR SPECIFIC REPORT FOR THE SPECIFIC SITE.
AND THAT GOES INTO THE MATERIALS THAT ARE GIVEN TO DSA TO EVALUATE, UH, THE REVISED DESIGN FOR THE SPECIFIC, I GUESS NO STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS.
THEY LIKE STRUCTURE, THEY BUILD A THING.
UM, I JUST WONDERED, IS THERE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN DESIGN OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IN LIQUEFACTION DESIGN IN RECENT YEARS? I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE IMPROVED DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST HEARD A, UM, A PRESENTATION FROM, NOT MODULAR, BUT I FORGOT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE, COULD THERE BE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR NEW TYPES OF DESIGN OR THESE CONDITIONS? IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE KEEP BUILDING THE SAME TYPE OF BUILDING WITH THESE CONDITIONS WHEN, YOU KNOW, LIGHTER MATERIALS OR I DON'T KNOW, ARE THERE, HAVE, HAVE WE SEEN ANY IN RECENT YEARS? I'LL LOOK INTO THEM.
CAN I, CAN I, I, I REALIZE THAT WE MIGHT BE GETTING INTO LIKE A TECHNICAL ARENA, UM,
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE DESIGNING A BUILDING, UM, A SHADE SHELTER, ANYTHING THAT HAS A WEIGHT AND IS GOING TO MOVE, UM, YOU HAVE TO ANALYZE THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON.
UM, AND SO WE KNOW IN THE LA AREA, WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOILS TYPES.
LIQUEFACTION IS A TYPE WHERE YOU HAVE A SANDY SOIL, AND IT COULD DEPEND IF YOU'RE KIND OF A GEOLOGY WONK WHERE THERE'S KIND OF AN ALLUVIAL FLOW OF SAND.
UM, IT PERFORMS VERY DIFFERENT IN A SEISMIC EVENT.
IT WILL START TO MOVE AND SETTLE VERY QUICKLY.
UNLIKE AREAS THAT HAVE, UM, BEDROCK IN IT.
WE ALSO HAVE AREAS THAT HAVE A HIGH, LIKE CLAY CONTENT.
AND SO WE HAVE TO DO A SOILS, A GEOTECHNICAL STUDY NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE BUILDING OR WHERE WE'RE BUILDING, UM, IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE SOIL IS GOING TO INFORM THE STRUCTURE.
AND IT COULD NOT EVEN BE A STRUCTURE.
IF WE'RE BUILDING A FIELD, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW QUICKLY IS THE WATER GOING TO PERCOLATE DOWN SO THAT WE CAN DESIGN THE DRAINAGE.
IF THERE'S LIQUEFACTION, IT'S MORE SANDY, IT'LL DRAIN FASTER.
IF THERE'S MUD OR CLAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO DRAIN.
IT'S GONNA SIT THERE AND POOL AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT WATER.
SO SOILS, UH, YOU KNOW, GEOTECHNICAL IS DONE ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, UM, ON THESE, WE KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT DRAINING WATER.
WE'RE PUTTING IN, UM, ESSENTIALLY COLUMNS.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW FAR THOSE COLUMNS GO.
AS ALEX POINTED OUT, IF YOU ARE IN HEAVY LIQUEFACTION, YOU COULD GO DOWN TO 16 FEET.
IF YOU HAVE NO LIQUEFACTION, YOU CAN JUST BE AT EIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS AND BE LIKE, WELL, IT LOOKS THE SAME EVERYWHERE, BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COLUMN LENGTH TWICE AS HIGH AS I AM, OR, YOU KNOW, ONLY EIGHT FEET.
YES, STEVE, THANK YOU CHRISTINA.
YEAH, ALIX, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THIS DOCUMENT, BUT
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NO, BUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE FORM IN GENERAL.I'M VERY FAMILIAR, WAS PRETTY MUCH LOOKING AT THE THING HERE THAT SAYS THAT, UM, THERE WAS AN UPGRADE OF 20%, WHICH IS ABOUT 30 TO $35,000 TO 88 UPGRADE THAT.
AND SO I'M WONDERING WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, OH, I SEE UNDER, UH, 4 0 1 UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOUR ONE.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR AADA A.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE? OTHER THAN JUST PATTING AROUND THE COLUMNS SUCH NO, THE A DA, OKAY, SO THIS IS PROBABLY PRE SB 515.
I'M GONNA GUESS THIS ESTIMATE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I THOUGHT SB 515 LIMITS IT AT 20% NOW.
SO THIS WAS PROBABLY POST, BUT RIGHT.
SO TYPICALLY, UM, THE, THE STANDARD APPROACH PRE SB FIVE 15 IS YOU STARTED AT THE PARKING LOT AND YOU WENT TO THE FRONT DOOR AND YOU WENT TO THE OFFICE, AND THEN YOU TOOK A PATH TO THE SHADE SHELTER.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO A RESTROOM ALONG THE WAY.
BUT ALEX, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, 'CAUSE TO STEVE'S QUESTION, TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SHADE STRUCTURE BEING ACCESSIBLE.
NO, IT'S, IT'S THE TRIGGERS, IT TRIGGERS PER FEDERAL LAW.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE, ALL THESE OTHER UPGRADES, RIGHT.
BUT SO WE, WE CARRY LEGISLATION TO LIMIT IT TO 20%, BUT IT'S STILL THAT'S RIGHT.
SO TYP TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE DO, UM, LET'S SAY FROM, UH, THE BACK DOOR OF THE SCHOOL OR THE BACK DOORS, THE SHORTEST ROUTE TO THE SHADE SHELTER IN THAT PLAY AREA, WE CHECK IF THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH CODE, DOES IT NEED A RAMP? IS THE CROSS SLOPE 2%, UH, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? ARE THERE STEPS ALONG THE WAY AND NO RAMPS? SO TYPICALLY WE LIMIT IT TO 20%.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF THOSE FUNDS? SOME SCHOOLS, BY THE WAY, WHICH WE SAW IN DECEMBER, HAVE A COMPLIANT, UM, PATH OF TRAVEL AND YOU DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY NEED TO UPDATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.
I THINK ANOTHER, TO MY EARLIER POINT, ANOTHER WELL-INTENDED ACT THAT THEN IS LEADING TO, I MEAN, THE REASON, AND WHEN YOU TELL PARENTS, UM, I THINK TO MR. RODRIGUEZ'S POINT, THAT THE REASON, YOU KNOW, PARENTS WHO HAVE GOTTEN DONATIONS OR RAISED MONEY OR DISTRICT MONEY, THAT IT COSTS, LIKE, YES, THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE RAISED OR THAT YOU HAD DONATED FOR YOUR SHADE STRUCTURE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS, WHICH IS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SHADING YOUR STRUCTURE.
IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT.
[II.3. Update on Building Stronger Communities: Leveraging School Facilities for Engagement and Financial Stewardship (Res-021-25/26)]
QUICK KIND OF FINAL PRESENTATION.UM, ON THE UPDATE ON, ON MY LEASING RESOLUTION, ON OUR EFFORTS TO MODERNIZE POLICIES RATES, SYSTEMS FOR THIRD PARTY USE OF OUR SCHOOL FACILITIES.
UM, AND SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ISAM AND MARK, UM, TO, UH, GIVE US THE QUICK UPDATE AND THEN WE'LL, I KNOW WE'LL HAVE FOLLOW UP AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL WRAP UP SOON.
ISSAM ABDUL, DIRECTOR FOR FACILITIES PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THROUGH AND UPDATE OF THE, UM, LEVERAGING SCHOOL FACILITIES FOR ENGAGEMENT, THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED, UH, BY THE BOARD BACK IN NOVEMBER.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED IN TERMS OF WHO WE ARE.
SO, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UM, PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE A STATUS UPDATE ON OUR USE OF DISTRICTS, OUR EFFORTS OF MODERNIZING OUR POLICY RATES OR SYSTEMS FOR GOVERNING THIRD PARTY OF SCHOOL FACILITIES.
UM, OUR SCHOOL FACILITIES PERSUANT TO THE, UH, BOARD RESOLUTION BACK IN NOVEMBER.
SO BEFORE I DIVE TOO IN TOO MUCH INTO THAT, LEMME JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHO WE ARE.
UM, SO WITHIN THE FACILITY SERVICES DIVISION, THERE IS A REAL ESTATE GROUP, UM, THAT REAL ESTATE GROUP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF LICENSES AND LEASE AGREEMENTS, UM, CHARTER SCHOOL AGREEMENTS, PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENTS, ET CETERA.
SO THE A A BIG BULK OF WHAT WE DO IS THE THIRD PARTY USE SCHOOL FACILITIES, UM, AFTER SCHOOL, WE MANAGE ALL OF THOSE AGREEMENTS AND WE MANAGE THAT PROCESS.
SO JUST TO GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT, UH, MEANS.
SO WE HAVE KINDA THREE MAIN TRANCHES OF AGREEMENTS.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO THIRD PARTY USE, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE CIVIC CENTER, UM, USE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY REGULATED BY THE ED CODE'S.
TYPICALLY NON-PROFITS, APPROXIMATELY 60.
IF THEY'RE, UM, CHARGING LESS THAN $60 A MONTH, THEN WE WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THAT SPECIFIC.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WHAT TYPES OF USES, UM, FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF CIVIC CENTER.
AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE SHORT TERM LICENSE AGREEMENTS.
SO THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A CLUB SOCCER TEAM, A CLUB BASKETBALL TEAM THAT'S USING OUR FACILITIES, FUNDRAISING, PTOS, CHILDCARE, ET CETERA.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE LONGER TERM AGREEMENTS, WHICH COULD BE OUR WELLNESS CLINICS.
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RELIGIOUS SERVICES OPEN OUR MARKETS, UM, AND ANY LONGER TERM JOINT USE AGREEMENTS.SO JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, THIS IS THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FROM 24 25, UM, SCHOOL YEAR.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE VOLUME OF THE WORK THAT WE DO, UM, IN TERMS OF PROCESSING, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR THE USE OF OUR FACILITIES.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAD PROCESS ABOUT A THOUSAND, UM, CIVIC CENTER PERMITS BACK IN 24, 25, ABOUT 5,000 IN LICENSE AGREEMENTS.
AND THEN WE ALSO DO, UM, FILMING AT A LOT OF OUR SCHOOLS.
SO THAT HELPS GENERATE SOME REVENUE, UM, FOR THE DISTRICT.
UM, SO WE HAD ABOUT 600 OF THOSE.
UM, I WON'T TALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE THINGS, BUT YOU CAN SEE GENERALLY IN TERMS OF THE COST.
RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE'RE STRUCTURED IS IF YOU'RE A CIVIC CENTER PERMIT USER, WE'RE, UM, OUR CURRENT RATE IS $38 AN HOUR.
THAT WAS SET BACK IN 2018 WAS THE LAST TIME WE'VE, UM, SET OR UPDATED OUR POLICY AS WELL AS UPDATING ANY OF THE COSTS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT OUR MARKET RATES, WHICH VARIES DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE USING A GYM, UH, CLASSROOMS, PLAYGROUND SPACE FIELDS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN WE, WE WORK WITH FILM LA AND WE'VE GOT A RATE SHEET FOR THE USES, UM, FOR FILMING.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE UPDATES TO OUR, UM, POLICY AND OUR SYSTEMS. AND SO BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE BOARD, UM, APPROVED A RESOLUTION AND OUR TAKEAWAY FROM FROM THAT RESOLUTION, UM, AND I THINK THIS LANGUAGE COMES DIRECTLY FROM THAT, IS TO UPDATE OUR POLICY AND FEE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE POLICY AND FEES.
UM, AND SO REALLY WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, REVISING THE POLICIES, FCI FOR THE FACILITY ACCESS, LOOKING AT OUR FEES, LOOKING AT OUR, UH, PRIORITIZATION OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT USERS ON OUR SITE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, KIND OF A SEPARATE FUNCTION IS OUR DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
WE'VE BEEN USING THE SAME DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT ARCHAIC AND COULD, COULD USE AN UPGRADE.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO POSSIBLY ISSUING AN RFP, OR, SORRY, I SHOULDN'T SAY POSSIBLY, WE ARE ISSUING AN RFP, UH, FOR, UH, FOR A NEW SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN BETTER TRACK, UM, ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, LOOKING TO UPGRADE OUR COMMUNITY USE PLATFORM, WHICH IS ANOTHER FANCY WAY OF SAYING OUR WEBSITE OR HOW WE, UM, ENGAGE OUTSIDE USERS AND HOW THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UM, SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE USE OF FACILITIES AND HOW WE PROCESS PAYMENTS, ET CETERA.
AND SO WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, UM, WHICH I'LL HEAR ABOUT MORE IN A SECOND.
UM, WHICH WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON.
SO LET'S TALK VERY QUICKLY IN TERMS OF OUR UPDATE ON THE POLICY, UM, AND FEE.
AND SO ULTIMATELY WE'VE BEEN WORKING INTERNALLY TO IDENTIFY, UH, TO, TO WORK WITH OUR INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, UM, OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS FINANCE BEYOND THE BELL, UM, OUR IT DEPARTMENT AS WELL, LEGAL.
UM, AND LOOKING AT OUR THIRD PAR PARTY POLICY, WHICH AGAIN WAS LAST UPDATED BACK IN 2018, AND LOOKING TO UPDATE THAT.
UM, OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD IS TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, CURRENT RATES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPAR COMPARABLE, UM, RATES WITH OTHER DISTRICTS.
SO THEY SEE THAT WE'RE COMPARABLE, LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT USERS, USER GROUPS AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH DIFFERENT USER GROUPS AND, AND, UH, ALIGN OUR, UH, PROCESS SO THAT IT MAXIMIZES USE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO COME TO THE BOARD, UM, IN, UH, THE SECOND QUARTER.
SO BY NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE PROVIDING AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD WITH A POLICY, UM, KIND OF A DRAFT IF YOU WILL, UM, INFORMATIONAL THAT WE CAN THEN COME BACK IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2026 TO COME TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY ISSUE THAT UPDATED POLICY AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO GO AHEAD AND INCORPORATE, UM, AND ROLL THAT OUT AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, SWITCHING GEARS A LITTLE BIT AND NOW TALKING MORE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY USE PLATFORM.
UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, ANOTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT AND HOW WHAT THEY'RE UTILIZING IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY USE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, IT'S VERY USER FRIENDLY.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO IN, CLICK ON A DATE, UH, MAKE THE REQUEST, SEE THE PICTURES.
UM, USUALLY THEY'VE GOT SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON WHAT THE RATE, UM, IS.
UM, AND SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA STRIVE TO, TO ACHIEVE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS RFP PROCESS.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IN TERMS OF THE TIMING AND NEXT STEPS.
UM, SO FOR THE COMMUNITY USE PLATFORM, WHICH YOU JUST SAW AN EXAMPLE OF OUR MILESTONES ARE TO ISSUE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THIS SPRING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO HAVE IT ISSUED BY THE END OF MARCH, SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN DRAFTED.
WE'RE WORKING WITH PROCUREMENT TO TRY TO GET THAT RFP OUT, UM, NO LATER THAN THE END OF MARCH.
ONCE WE ISSUE THE RFP, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, RECEIVE PROPOSALS, AND WE WOULD, UM, ANTICIPATE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2026 DEPENDING ON WHO THE, UM, SELECTED, UH, VENDOR IS, WE WOULD THEN LOOK TO ROLL IT OUT.
WE MIGHT WANNA ROLL IT OUT IN TERMS
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OF, IN A WAVE OF MAYBE STARTING WITH A PILOT PROGRAM, UM, TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES AND THEN EVENTUALLY A FULL IMPLEMENTATION.I KNOW I WAS TALKING FAST BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WE WANTED TO GET THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY, SO I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE I APPRECIATE THAT
BUT, BUT THERE IS A LOT IN HERE.
UM, YES, PARTICULARLY EXCITING.
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS MY RESOLUTION, SO I CARE TO BE ABOUT THIS, BUT ALTERNA TO THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, BUT THEN MAYBE WE WILL GENERALIZE JUST A LITTLE FOLLOW UP BECAUSE THERE'S GREAT STUFF HERE.
UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, BECKY? SO I'M A PAST, UH, PTO OVER INVOLVED MOM, UH, SERVED ON LITTLE LEAGUE BOARDS IN OUR LOCAL AREA AND A YSO.
UM, SO EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU DO AND MY HUSBAND WORKS IN THE FILM INDUSTRY IS, IS MY LIFE.
AND I, I THINK MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO ASK YOU A TON OF QUESTIONS, BUT THINGS THAT IMMEDIATELY CAME TO MIND WHEN I SAW THE AGENDA FOR TODAY THAT I WAS LIKE, THESE ARE HOT BUTTON FOR ME.
UM, I THINK THE DISTRICT ISN'T ALWAYS, UM, LOOKING DEEPER INTO THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS, UH, WANTING TO RENT THE SPACE AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THE ENTITY THAT'S COMING TO US A FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS THAT'S PAYING THEIR COACHES AND THEIR, THEIR ADULTS THAT ARE DOING YOUTH ACTIVITIES.
OR IS THIS A YSO THAT HAS THREE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT RECEIVE SOME $500 STIPEND, BUT THEY'RE SERVICING 1500 CHILDREN.
SO THOSE TO ME AS, AS A SPORT PARENT, THOSE ARE RADICALLY DIFFERENT POPULATIONS.
UM, WE IN WESTCHESTER HAVE, HAVE STRUGGLED WITH RENTING THIS SPACE.
WE'RE A PARK, UH, POOR AREA OF LOS ANGELES AND THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL SPACES.
UM, I THINK WESTCHESTER HIGH IS STILL CONSIDERED ONE OF THE LARGEST, UM, ELEVATED UNIFIED PROPERTIES, CONSECUTIVE PROPERTIES WE'VE GOT, RIGHT? UM, BUT IT IS CHALLENGING ON OUR COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO THOSE SPACES, UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CHARGE SEEMS, UH, ASTRONOMICAL TO THEN THE, THE GROUP THAT'S DOING IT.
IF YOU ARE A PREPARING FOR THE OLYMPICS AND YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHEN YOU'RE CHARGING $135 AND TRYING TO MAKE A WRECK.
EVERYONE PLAYS OPPORTUNITY FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO, UM, THAT, UH, PRICE, UM, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO THINK WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
GIRL SCOUTS, WE ARE ABLE TO USE A VERY SIMILAR SYSTEM AND GIRL SCOUTS HAVE GREATER LOS ANGELES TO GO AND LOOK AT SPACES NEARBY.
UM, IT CAN BE VERY FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR HYPER-LOCAL SPACE AND YOU FIND OUT SOMEONE FROM AN HOUR AWAY GOT TO IT BEFORE YOU DID.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE DON'T WANT OUR STUDENTS DRIVING ALL OVER LOS ANGELES, I WOULD SAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR YOUTH OPPORTUNITIES AFTER SCHOOL, FIGURING OUT A HIERARCHY THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET THAT, THAT HYPERLOCAL THERE.
AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE IF YOU EVER WOULD LIKE TO CHAT MORE ABOUT IT, UM, THIS, THIS IS A, A PASSION PIECE OF MINE.
WELL, AND ONE, I, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GONNA ASK, SO THANK YOU BECKY, IS AROUND, UM, 'CAUSE THE RESOLUTION DOES CALL FOR THOSE TIERS AND UNDER AND, AND UH, COMING BACK WITH A POLICY THAT LOOKS AT, UH, AS IT SAYS ON SLIDE SIX, UH, DEFINE ELIGIBILITY PRIORITY TIERS, COST RECOVERY STANDARDS, ALL THAT.
UM, I GUESS YOU MENTIONED KIND OF AN INTERNAL WORKING GROUP.
HOW ARE YOU ENGAGING PARENTS AND THE PUBLIC TO GET THAT FEEDBACK? YEAH, SO WE HAVEN'T DONE A FORMAL ENGAGEMENT WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING MORE INFORMAL IN TERMS OF A LOT OF THE USERS, ESPECIALLY THE HEAVY USERS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR YEARS.
WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS EVEN BEFORE THE RESOLUTION TO TRY TO UM, SEE HOW WE CAN BECOME BETTER, RIGHT? SO WE'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, CURRENT USERS THAT ARE UTILIZING OUR SITE TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE.
UH, THERE'S AN INFORMAL PROCESS FOR YOU.
YEAH, NO, WE'D BE HAPPY TO REACH OUT.
SO I MEAN, EVEN ONE THING THAT WE RAN INTO WAS LIKE, WE'VE GOT FAMILIES AND THEIR KID, THEIR KIDS PLAYED A YSO FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PRICE CHANGES ON YOUR SIDE, HOW ARE WE THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE OFFER THAT TO A FAMILY? AND WE'RE TALKING REC AGAIN HERE, WE'RE TALKING EVERYBODY PLAYS.
YOU GET YOUR THREE QUARTERS, WE WANT AS MANY CHILDREN OUT THERE RUNNING NOT UNDER SHADE, RIGHT? THEY'RE TOTALLY RUNNING AND HAVING A GREAT TIME, BUT FOR THOSE FAMILIES, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 135 OR TWO 50 OR 500 MIGHT MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T PARTICIPATE.
AND SO SOMETIMES WHAT WE HAVE RUN INTO IS YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING YOUR POLICIES, BUT WE'VE ALREADY SET AND HAD OUR REGISTRATION SIX MONTHS AGO AND SO OUR BUDGET GETS LOCKED.
SO YEAH, THE MORE I THINK THAT YOU CAN FIND THOSE HYPER INTENSE USERS AND REALLY SIT WITH THEM, I THINK, AND IT DOES MAKE BECAUSE OUR, 'CAUSE I GET THE PHONE CALLS IN WESTCHESTER WHEN THEY'RE LIKE, WAIT A SECOND, WE COULDN'T USE THAT SPACE.
AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS, EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FILLING OUT YOUR FORM, IT'S THE MOM OF SOME KID WHO'S LIKE, WAIT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET MORE SOCCER SPACE,
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NOW THEY'RE NOT OPENING UP MORE TEAMS NOW I CAN'T PARTICIPATE.AND THAT MAKES L-A-U-S-D LOOK BAD.
IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THE GREATER COMMUNITY, THAT WE JUST WANNA PROTECT OUR LITTLE GRASS AND NOT LET ANYBODY HAVE IT.
WE'LL, WE'LL TOUCH BASE AND I, I WILL SAY EVEN UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY AND HOW WE'RE STRUCTURED, A-A-Y-S-O THAT CHARGES, I'M ASSUMING LESS THAN $60 A MONTH WOULD QUALIFY UNDER CIVIC CENTER.
SO THEY WOULD BE CHARGED, THEY WOULD BE CHARGED A LOWER RATE, THEY'D BE CHARGED A $38 PER HOUR FOR A A FACILITY USE.
WHEREAS IF YOU ARE A CLUB SOCCER TEAM, THEN YOU WOULD BE CHARGED A SHORT-TERM LICENSE, WHICH WOULD BE MARKET RATE BECAUSE YOU'RE CHARGING, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR KIDS TO PARTICIPATE AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A TRYOUT, UH, PROCESS.
SO IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO EVEN RE-LOOK AT THAT 60 'CAUSE JUST I CAN TELL YOU WITH A-O-I-S-O AND I MEAN IT'S, IT BECAUSE OF THE COST WITH YOU GUYS GOING UP A LOT OF OUR LOCAL LEAGUES, BOTH LITTLE LEAGUE AND AND A YSO HAVE HAD TO RE-LOOK AT THAT AND DEPENDING ON EXACTLY HOW YOU DEFINE THAT AND DO THAT MATH, THAT THAT MIGHT GET KIND OF TIGHT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, DICTATED BY THE ED CODE.
SO WE, WE CAN, SO THAT THE CIVIC CENTER PERMIT ACT REQUIRES THE, OR DICTATES THE $60 AND SO WE'RE PULLING IT FROM THERE.
'CAUSE $60 10 YEARS AGO IS NOT $60 TODAY.
AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID THE RESOLUTION WAS TO CREATE A POLICY AND THEN HAVE IT ITERATIVE AND REEVALUATED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, UM, COMPETING VALUES LIKE FOR SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, FROM A COMMUNITY PARTNER AND I WAS A LIFELONG A YO KID.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA HAVE LOWER COST OPTIONS FROM A SCHOOL WHO IS GETTING 60 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR OF WHAT'S BEING LEASED.
THEY MIGHT WANT TO CHARGE TO THE CLUB TEAM 'CAUSE THEN THEY GET MORE MONEY FOR THEIR BUDGET.
AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO FIGURE, SO WE'VE ALSO, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT IN SOME AREAS THIS POLICY COULD BE A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE DISTRICTS AND IN OTHER WAYS IT'S GONNA COST US MONEY 'CAUSE THE MORE PARTNERS THAT WE SAY.
BUT THAT'S WHERE A PUBLIC INSTITUTION, SO, AND THEN HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT SCHOOLS THAT HAVE LIMITED BUDGETS AREN'T ON THE HOOK FOR THE WEAR AND TEAR? AND SO, BUT THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS TO KIND OF GET THIS FEEDBACK AND, AND I THINK WE CAN STRIKE THAT BALANCE EVEN BETTER THAN WE HAVE BEEN.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MARK WANTS TO CHIME IN MAYBE NO,
YEAH, SO YEAH, MARK BRINGS UP, WE'VE TALKED TO SASHA, UM, UH, AT THE, IN SACRAMENTO.
OUR, OUR, UH, OUTSIDE, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS EXACT TITLE IS, BUT HE HELPS US, UH, PASS, PASS NEW LAWS
AND THERE ARE SOME AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
AND THERE'S SOME LEGISLATIVES AR UM, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY FIXES, BUT WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED LOOKING AT THE STATE LIABILITY SHIELD.
AND THEN LIKE WHEN WE ARE OPENING UP TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE, I MEAN, EVERY DAY NOW THERE'S A NEW ARTICLE IN THE PAPER ON LIABILITY AND HOW THAT'S LIMITING SO MUCH WHAT COUNTY, CITIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE DOING.
SO HOW CAN WE GET STATE RELIEF ON THAT AS WELL? UM, GREAT.
WE, WE WILL, UM, CONTINUE TO BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSS IT.
AND THEN MAYBE REVIEW THE DRAFT POLICY AT THE COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT TOO.
[III. Public Comment]
WITH THAT WE WILL TURN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.I'LL NOTE I KNOW MS. HEWELL HAD HER COMMUNITY MEETING AROUND THE LANDSCAPE ANALYSIS THAT THE, THE DISTRICT'S DOING IN EVERY BOARD DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
BUT I WILL ASK, UM, THERE'S MIKE, I'LL ASK MR. MCLEAN TO HELP US WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT, FIVE FOLKS ARE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, ALL IN PERSON SPEAKERS.
SO LET'S CALL IN THE FIRST PERSON.
WHITNEY WESTON, ARE YOU HERE? COME ON DOWN, MS. WESTON.
YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK ONCE YOU BEGIN.
HI EVERYONE, I AM WHITNEY WESTON.
HELLO, I'M WITH GREENWAY ARTS ALLIANCE.
WE ARE ON THE CAMPUS OF FAIRFAX HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, WE DO IN-SCHOOL AND AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMMING IN THE ARTS AND LITERACY AND LEADERSHIP.
UM, OUR DANCE TEAM JUST PERFORMED AT DODGER STADIUM.
UH, WE HAVE TWO LONG-TERM, UH, LICENSE AGREEMENTS AT, AT FAIRFAX HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, WE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A THIRD PARTY, BUT WE CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL LIKE A THIRD PARTY.
WE'VE BEEN ON THE CAMPUS FOR 28 YEARS AND WE DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE WE ARE FAMILY WITH FAIRFAX HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, WE SERVE OVER A THOUSAND STUDENTS, UH, IN, IN THESE PROGRAMS. AND, UH, WE'RE NOW AT FIVE SCHOOLS.
UM, THERE IS NO BUCKET FOR US, UH, IN LEASING.
WE HAVE A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT, BUT WE ARE IN A BUCKET THAT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WE MAKE TO A FAIRFAX HIGH SCHOOL.
THERE'S REALLY NO DIFFERENTIATION FROM US PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO RENT A ROOM OR AN AUDITORIUM OR A PARKING LOT.
UM, SHOULD THERE BE STRUCTURE? ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT IT BECOMES FAIR.
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I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I JUST GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.I APPRECIATE BOARD MEMBER MEL V'S.
UH, PROCUREMENT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US TO KEEP OUR PROGRAMS GOING.
LEASING HAS BEEN AMAZING AND LISTENING TO US, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
I JUST APPRECIATE THIS COMMITTEE AND I'M HOPING THAT, UH, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE IF YOU, IF YOU CREATE THAT.
LUISA GALINDO, ARE YOU IN THE ROOM? I CAN'T SEE IF SHE'S HERE.
UH, JUAN MAG GANDHI, ARE YOU HERE? I DO NOT SEE YOU.
LET ME CHECK ONLINE TO SEE IF THESE FOLKS ARE WITH US ONLINE.
UH, MARIA LUISA PALMA, ARE YOU HERE? ALSO NOT ONLINE IN PINNER CONTRACTING.
ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, SO THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND I'LL JUST TAKE THE CHAIR'S PREROGATIVE TO THANK WHITNEY, UH, AND, UH, AND THE GREENWAY ARTS ALLIANCE.
THEY ARE, UH, BEEN WITH THEM MANY TIMES AND I WAS THRILLED THAT WE COULD BRING THE SUPERINTENDENT OUT RECENTLY TO SEE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND IT IS A UNIQUE PARTNERSHIP AND, AND ONE THAT WE WANNA HONOR IN OUR POLICY, BUT ALSO FIND WAYS TO REPLICATE.
UM, AND I, I'M THRILLED THAT THERE'S A RESEARCHER NOW STUDYING THIS PARTNERSHIP AND THE NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT, UM, OF WHAT IT CAN BE.
AND I DO, I JUST WANNA, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I DO HAVE AN ADJOURNING MOTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DO AT OUR BOARD MEETINGS, JUST TO ADJOURN MEETINGS IN HONOR OF FOLKS WHO HAVE RECENTLY PASSED.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN THIS COMMITTEE MEETING IN MEMORY OF MARGARET FAIRLEY, A LONG TIME DISTRICT LEADER WHO PASSED AWAY IN NOVEMBER.
MARGARET WAS ELLIE UNIFIED'S FIRST FEMALE HEAD OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, A DI VISION, WHICH SHE RAN FOR 11 YEARS.
SHE ALSO PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN LEADING LA UNIFIED'S RECOVERY FROM THE NORTHRIDGE EARTHQUAKE, WHICH DAMAGED HUNDREDS OF SCHOOL BUILDINGS.
SHE LATER SERVES AS THE CFO FOR SANTA MONICA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND MARGARET, WHO WAS BORN IN GLASGOW, SCOTLAND, BLAZED A TRAIL FOR WOMEN IN THE SCHOOL FACILITIES LANDSCAPE.
SHE HAS SURVIVED AND REMEMBERED FONDLY BY MANY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES AND HER HUSBAND, A LONGTIME LA UNIFIED EDUCATOR, TWO CHILDREN AND SEVERAL GRANDCHILDREN.
UH, SO MAY HER MEMORY BE A BLESSING AND WE THANK MARGARET FOR HER SERVICE HIGH AND HER LEGACY OF FEMALE LEADERSHIP AND FACILITIES AND BEYOND CONTINUES VERY PROUDLY HERE AT LA UNIFIED.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING TODAY.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON APRIL 28TH.
UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE AGAIN THEN.